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Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value

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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com>

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The stoics had a different conception of proposition.
It was not what Dan Christensen tries to characterize,
i.e. Stoic axiômata are crucially different from:

„ Modern theories tend to treat propositions as 
untensed and time-indexed. When I utter the words
 “It’s warm in Hobart today” I express the proposition 
that it is warm in Hobart on 25 February 2018. That’s a 
different proposition from the one I would express with 
the use of those same words tomorrow.“
https://plato.stanford.edu/archives/win2022/entries/stoicism/#Log

The problem is, when you want to market a tool
such as DC proof, you would possibly not proceed
as Dan Christensen does, give it an instruction set

that narrows it usage as small as possible. This
also runs counter to Dan Christensens advice, 
you can always add your own axioms. What is

an axiom, a modern proposition or a stoic axiomata?
Typically a good sales pitch would advertise a tool 
as versatile  as possible. After all proof tool is only a 

bundle of abstract syntax and semantic. Even not semantic,
you can also eliminate that, or not propose something. 
Syntax forms and rules only it is. Unlike Wolfgang Schwartz

tree tool, but good luck seeing only modern propositions
in his counter models and not axiomata. The modern 
proposition stance could be especially hard to maintain if

counter factuals are involved. So there could be no need to
advertise axiomataas more universal. They would come up
automatically when theorems are unprovable?

Mild Shock schrieb am Dienstag, 20. Juni 2023 um 17:18:34 UTC+2:
> Diodorus Cronus was a member (or perhaps a late follower) 
> of the Megarian School, whose arguments about the truth 
> and falsity of statements about the future may have influenced Aristotle. 
> 
> The so-called "Master Argument" (the κυριεύων or κύριος λόγος) was 
> apparently first formulated by Diodorus, although we do not have 
> his specific argument, because he wrote nothing (or at least nothing that survives). 
> 
> Like Socrates, he preferred talking (the dialectic) to writing. He 
> was known as "The Dialectician." Epictetus reconstructs the lost Master 
> Argument as a logical contradiction between three propositions. 
> 
> - every past truth must be necessary 
> - an impossibility does not follow from a possibility 
> - something is possible which neither is nor will be true 
> 
> Given the first two, it is apparent that the third is false, and we 
> can conclude that nothing is possible which is not true and never will be. 
> The Master Argument was central in the Hellenistic debates about 
> 
> determinism, as shown by Cicero's descriptions in On Fate. 
> 
> https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/master_argument.html
> Mild Shock schrieb am Dienstag, 20. Juni 2023 um 17:15:10 UTC+2: 
> > And how do you want to formulate Cronus Paradox? 
> > (Or the master argument of Diodorus Cronus 284 BC) 
> > 
> > Dan Christensen schrieb am Dienstag, 20. Juni 2023 um 16:59:19 UTC+2: 
> > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 10:42:56 PM UTC-4, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:08:07 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: 
> > > > > So we are in the mists of the Sorites paradox 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The sorites paradox (/soʊˈraɪtiːz/;[1] sometimes known as the 
> > > > > paradox of the heap) is a paradox that results from vague predicates. 
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox 
> > > > > 
> > > > > When is John wet? How long does it take? Can 
> > > > > propositional logic deal with sentences like "John get's wet". 
> > > > > Not only when is John wet, but also how long does it 
> > > > > 
> > > > > take until "John get's wet" is true. What if he only gets 
> > > > > a little wet, and then the rain stops, and he drys up? 
> > > > > Maybe its easier to build a turing machine for a SAT 
> > > > > 
> > > > Consider the conditional sentence: "If it is raining (R), then it is cloudy(C)." Here is the truth table: 
> > > > 
> > > > R C R=>C 
> > > > T T T 
> > > > T F F 
> > > > F T T 
> > > > F F T 
> > > > 
> > > > Now, the truth values of R and C will vary over time. The truth value of R=>C at time t can be determined only if the values of both R and C are know at time t. If, for example, we know only that both R(0) and C(0) are true, then the conditional R(0)=>C(0) will be true at time 0. On the other hand, if we know only that both R(0) and C(1) are true, we cannot determine the truth value of R(0)=>C(1). 
> > > If we restrict our attention to propositions in the present tense, we can safely ignore the complications of temporal logic. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_logic 
> > > > Dan 
> > > > 
> > > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> > > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com

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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-21 09:14 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 04:09 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 04:13 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 04:21 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-22 08:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-22 08:59 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 13:42 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 09:30 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 10:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:24 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:18 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:33 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 12:53 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:35 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:45 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 14:10 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 14:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 14:39 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 15:48 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 16:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 16:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-28 20:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 15:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-07-02 17:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 04:04 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 19:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:51 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 00:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 08:58 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 10:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 13:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:03 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 15:22 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 11:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 15:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 12:23 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 13:27 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:44 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:18 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:22 -0700
            Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 21:22 -0700
              Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:43 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 14:05 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Charlie-Boo <shymathguy@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 16:16 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:21 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:32 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:03 -0700
      Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:08 -0700
        Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 05:11 -0700
          Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:20 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 15:39 -0500
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:53 -0700

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