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Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value

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Date 2023-06-27 04:27 -0700
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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com>

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For Mark Thakkar, and I guess Dummett, there is no
way to make statements of the future. Even if you use
FOL, the statements do not become facts in any way.

He underlines his stance in section §4 where he presents
a few objections. For example discussing "WILL" in one subsection.
Where he repeats his very radical stance, a stance that

peanut brain Dan Christensen didn't get, because he didn't
read the paper, and if he were to read the paper, he didn't
understand a single word. Mark Thakkar repeats in §4

his radical stances:

".. nor would it explain why creatures with access only to
the present and the past would be so bold as to present
their visions of the future as fact." 
https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~mnat/files/future.pdf

and you then see how he defines the word proposition:

"...  I believe a positive account can be given which explains
both statements as judgements (reliant upon imagination, 
expectation, surmise, conjecture) rather than claims
of fact (i.e. propositions)." 

So he has a very narrow interpretation of the term "proposition",
which has nothing to do with what Peanut Brain Dan Christensen
understands by proposition, i.e. zero arity predicates. For

Mark Thakkar, and I guess Dummett, prositions are nore than
zero arity predicates, they are related to evidence and are either
factual true or false. Maybe we can dispose of the paper, in

that our conclusion would be that logic does more than only 
produce facts i.e. propositions as in the Mark Thakkar sense,
namely that logic produces also imagination, expectation, 

surmise, conjecture. But this shows again that we are not
in the domain of Peanut Brain Dan Christensen who is only
able to make the distinction between zero arity and non-zero

arity predicates. You need to be able to make distinctions like
"fact" and "imagination". Etc.. Which is not something you see
from the syntax of a propositional logic or first order logic

formula. Actually if we follow Mark Thakkar then every formula
from propositional logic or first order logic that refers to the future
deals with "imagination" and not "fact".

Mild Shock schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2023 um 13:15:12 UTC+2:
> Its irrelevant Mark Thakkar and Dummett do not discusse 
> propositional logic versus first order logic in the technical 
> sense, as you use these two words. For them they 
> 
> have only english, and this sentence: 
> 
> "It will rain tomorrow." 
> 
> Is meaningless you. You find the this expressed in the paper, 
> which you seem to have not read, and if you would have read it, 
> you seem to have not understood it it.
> Mark Thakkar expressis verbis writes: 
> 
> "What grants us access to the past is that, in ideal cases, 
> the past itself is causally responsible for the evidence we have for it. 
> What denies us access to the future is that in no case does 
> this happen for the future." 
> https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~mnat/files/future.pdf
> So even if you use FOL, there is no exception, they do not 
> mention in their paper that the above would be different foir 
> FOL, so this english sentence is meaningless. 
> 
> Because we have no evidence or raining tomorrow. The 
> evidence cannot be expressed, and if it is expressed, then 
> it is meaningless, we have no access to it. 
> 
> So if you do this in FOL: 
> 
> rain(t) & t = now+1 
> 
> Its just meaningless. Mark Thakkar is quite extreme in his 
> position. Since any sentence involving t > now, is meaningless, 
> there is also no way to prove determinism. He writes: 
> 
> "Finally, an incidental pay-off from treating statements 
> about the future as having no truth-values is that it silences 
> the thought that we can prove determinism by logic alone." 
> 
> In Mark Thakkar thinking, you can even not verify that 
> that some event causes a deterministic evidence in the future, 
> i.e. if you would use FOL and proof something like a uniqueness 
> 
> quantifier, it would still be objected and rejected by Mark Thakkar.
> Dan Christensen schrieb am Montag, 26. Juni 2023 um 21:36:16 UTC+2: 
> > On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 1:40:54 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock (aka Mr. Collapse) wrote: 
> > 
> > > [snip childish abuse] 
> > 
> > Using ONLY propositional logic (no predicates or quantifiers), please tell us, Mr. Collapse, how you would formalize: "It will rain tomorrow." 
> > Dan 
> > 
> > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com

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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 07:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 09:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 09:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 10:25 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 10:39 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 10:48 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:20 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 15:22 -0700
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