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Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value

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Date 2023-06-17 20:09 -0700
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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca>

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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 6:02:02 PM UTC-4, Jim Burns wrote:
[snip]

> > When weather forecasters say that 
> > it is now raining in their region, 
> > they are stating a proposition that is 
> > unambiguously either true or false. 
> > When they forecast that 
> > there is a 40% chance of rain tomorrow, 
> > they are NOT stating such a 
> > true-or-false proposition since, 
> > whatever the weather is tomorrow, 
> > it will not be inconsistent with 
> > that forecast.

> I know about two ways to read 
> | 
> | There is a 40% chance of rain tomorrow. 
> | 
> There may be more I don't know about. 
> 
> 1. 
> | In the population of tomorrows to which 
> | I have narrowed down the _actual_ 
> | _occurring_ tomorrow, after a lot of 
> | satellite- and computer-work, 
> | 40% of those tomorrows will be rainy. 
> 
> 2. 
> | After a lot of satellite- and computer- 
> | -work, I 40% believe that the _actual_ 
> | _occurring_ tomorrow will be rainy. 
> 
> I think that rational agents are supposed 
> to follow the well-known laws of probability 
> under either interpretation. I'm not sure 
> how the difference matters. 
> 
> 
> My own spin on probability is flavored by 
> a long conversation with another poster. 
> 
> There are some claims we can make about 
> an individual in some domain, and that claim 
> will be true or be false _no matter which_ 
> individual we are referring to. 
> 
> We call those claims "valid" and essentially 
> all of our mathematics focuses on the rare 
> claim of that no-matter-which type. 
> 
> Those no-matter-which claims are the 
> exceptions. When we talk about days, 
> _it matters which_ day we refer to when 
> we say "That day is(was/will be) rainy". 
> 
> Probability says that the claim 
> "Tomorrow will be rainy" 
> is 40% valid -- _which is 100% crap_ 
> I know that. 

That the "experts" think there is a good chance that it will rain tomorrow should not be entirely dismissed.

> "Valid" is only for all true. 
> But I only need a better way to say it. 
> The laws of probability are clear enough. 
> 
> 
> In my opinion, many "paradoxes" of 
> probability spring from the mismatch between 
> the claims we want to make, which are 
> almost all of the "40% valid" type, and 
> the rare claims we find it intuitive to 
> think about, which are of the "100% valid" 
> type.


The issue here isn't so much probability as the notion that statements about the future are somehow seen by many as logically on a par with factual claims about the present and the past. "It will rain tomorrow" is no more factual than "There is a 40% chance of rain tomorrow." (100% vs. 40% probability.) Compare these statements to the factual, "It is now raining here." Or "It is now NOT raining here."

Dan

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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 05:04 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:03 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 15:22 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 11:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 15:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 12:23 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 13:27 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:44 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:18 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:22 -0700
            Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 21:22 -0700
              Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:43 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 14:05 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Charlie-Boo <shymathguy@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 16:16 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:21 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:32 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:03 -0700
      Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:08 -0700
        Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 05:11 -0700
          Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:20 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 15:39 -0500
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:53 -0700

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