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Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value

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Date 2023-06-18 15:09 -0700
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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca>

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On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 5:32:27 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:

> Dan Christensen schrieb:
> > On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 2:05:57 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >> Dan Christensen schrieb am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2023 um 19:37:01 UTC+2: 
> >>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 12:10:57 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>>> Dan Christensen schrieb am Sonntag, 18. Juni 2023 um 17:03:20 UTC+2: 
> >>>>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 9:10:23 AM UTC-4, Mild Shock (aka Mr. Collapse) wrote: 
> >>>>>> Dan Christensen halucinated "It seems "intuitively obvious" 
> >>>>>> to me that classical propositional logic is applicable to 
> >>>>>> statements that ARE (present tense) unambiguously true or 
> >>>>>> false IN THE PRESENT." 
> >>>>> If you want to talk about logical propositions, the truth-values of which may vary over time, classical propositional logic will not suffice. It's that simple, Mr. Collapse. Some form of temporal logic, e.g. predicate logic with a variable for time would then be required for consistency. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In classical propositional logic, we say, for example, that proposition P _is_ true, or that proposition Q _is_ false (both in the present tense). When we say that P implies Q, we mean only that it _is_ false that both P _is_ true and Q _is_ false. Or equivalently, that P _is_ false or Q _is_ true. There is no passage of time or chronological record of events or predictions of future events. In classical propositional logic, there is only that which _is_ true, and that which _is_ false. 
> >>>>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> The proposition itself can express some future: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> mortal_dan_christensen 
> >>>> 
> >>>> To what time frame relative to now 
> >>>> does „mortal“ reference in your opinion? 
> >>> Formalizing that most famous syllogism of antiquity using modern notation: 
> >>> 
> >>> 1 ALL(a):[Man(a) => Mortal(a)] 
> >>> Axiom 
> >>> 
> >>> 2 Man(aristotle) 
> >>> Axiom 
> >>> 
> >>> 3 Man(aristotle) => Mortal(aristotle) 
> >>> U Spec, 1 
> >>> 
> >>> 4 Mortal(aristotle) 
> >>> Detach, 3, 2 
> >>> 
> >>> I don't think it can be stated in PROPOSITIONAL logic alone, i.e. without variables and a quantifier. In any case, no timeframe is specified here for the predicate Mortal. A variable for time might be introduced in a more detailed formalism with time of birth/death, etc. 
> > 
> >> You can state it in propositional logic: 
> >> 
> >> human_aristotele -> mortal_aristotele 
> >> human_aristotele 
> >> -------------------------------------- 
> >> mortal_aristotele 
> >> 
> > 
> > You seem to have missed the point. You might as well have said "bald" instead of "mortal." The quality in question is supposed to apply to ALL men. 
> > 
> > The syllogism is usually stated: 
> > 
> > All men are mortal. <-------- You missed this key assumption about men and mortality. 
> > Socrates is a man. 
> > __________________________________________ 
> > Therefore, Socrates is mortal. 
> > 

> You are changing the topic. I don't want to discuss ALL =>. 
> The implication is irrelevant. 
> quantifier. Because the topic is, what is a "proposition". 
> 
> So I don't need this to discuss what is a "proposition".
> 1 ALL(a):[Man(a) => Mortal(a)] 
> Axiom
> I want to discuss "closed formulas" such as: 
> 
> Man(aristotle) 
> Mortal(aristotle) 
> 

OK, so you don't want to talk about Aristotle's famous mortality syllogism. (BTW the subject was Socrates, not Aristotle.)

Maybe you can explain how your "closed formulas" here allow us to attach truth values in the present to events that have yet to occur, i.e. to predict the future. Again, if you want to reason about propositions, the truth values of which may vary over time (e.g. whether or not it is raining at given time), you really should consider introducing a variable for time.

Dan

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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:45 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Daniel Pehoushek <pehoushek1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 14:10 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 14:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 14:39 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 15:48 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 16:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 16:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-28 20:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 19:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:51 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 00:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 08:58 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 10:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 13:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:03 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 15:22 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 11:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 15:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 12:23 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 13:27 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:44 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:18 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:22 -0700
            Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 21:22 -0700
              Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:43 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 14:05 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Charlie-Boo <shymathguy@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 16:16 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:21 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:32 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:03 -0700
      Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:08 -0700
        Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 05:11 -0700
          Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:20 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 15:39 -0500
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:53 -0700

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