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Date 2023-06-17 05:28 -0700
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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca>

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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 7:11:43 AM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
> There are still situations where we might use 
> a hat, like a cap for sun shading etc.. so we have 
> a logical sentence, involving future: 
> 
> [Future] Brian puts on cap iff [Present] Brian sees sun 
> 

There are two facts to consider in the present tense: (1) Brian is wearing a cap. (2) It is sunny where Brian is.

> Which is not "true no matter what else is true" 
> as fellow crank Mark Thakkar claims. The truth table 
> has two rows where the truth table would be false: 
> 
> sun cap iff 
> T T T 
> T F F 
> F T F 
> F F T <----- Correction

If, at present, it is cloudy where Brian is and he is wearing a cap (line 3 of your table), then your biconditional is false. That's how propositional logic works.

Dan

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Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-15 22:05 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 02:48 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 03:09 -0700
      Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 04:45 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 08:26 -0700
      Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 15:36 -0700
        Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 15:48 -0700
          Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 16:10 -0700
            Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 19:18 -0700
            Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 19:56 -0700
              Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-17 04:53 -0400
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 04:59 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 05:04 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-17 09:01 -0400
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 06:22 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 06:53 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 06:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 06:59 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 07:04 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 07:15 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:06 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:17 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:21 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:36 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 08:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 09:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 09:33 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 09:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 09:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 09:34 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-17 13:23 -0400
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 12:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-17 18:01 -0400
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 20:09 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-18 00:58 -0400
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2023-06-18 02:23 -0400
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:10 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 06:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 08:03 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 09:10 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 09:27 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 09:43 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 10:36 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 12:35 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2023-06-18 23:32 +0200
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 14:42 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 15:09 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 15:24 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 18:53 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 01:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 01:31 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 01:38 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 07:23 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-19 07:51 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-19 19:42 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 22:31 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 23:22 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 07:59 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 08:15 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-21 06:31 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 02:59 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 15:34 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-25 16:34 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 19:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 19:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:51 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 00:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 08:58 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 10:12 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 13:57 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:26 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:55 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
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