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Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value

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Date 2023-06-20 08:18 -0700
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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com>

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Diodorus Cronus was a member (or perhaps a late follower) 
of the Megarian School, whose arguments about the truth 
and falsity of statements about the future may have influenced Aristotle.

The so-called "Master Argument" (the κυριεύων or κύριος λόγος) was 
apparently first formulated by Diodorus, although we do not have 
his specific argument, because he wrote nothing (or at least nothing that survives). 

Like Socrates, he preferred talking (the dialectic) to writing. He 
was known as "The Dialectician." Epictetus reconstructs the lost Master 
Argument as a logical contradiction between three propositions.

- every past truth must be necessary
- an impossibility does not follow from a possibility
- something is possible which neither is nor will be true

Given the first two, it is apparent that the third is false, and we 
can conclude that nothing is possible which is not true and never will be. 
The Master Argument was central in the Hellenistic debates about 

determinism, as shown by Cicero's descriptions in On Fate. 

https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/master_argument.html

Mild Shock schrieb am Dienstag, 20. Juni 2023 um 17:15:10 UTC+2:
> And how do you want to formulate Cronus Paradox? 
> (Or the master argument of Diodorus Cronus 284 BC) 
> 
> Dan Christensen schrieb am Dienstag, 20. Juni 2023 um 16:59:19 UTC+2: 
> > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 10:42:56 PM UTC-4, Dan Christensen wrote: 
> > > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:08:07 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote: 
> > > > So we are in the mists of the Sorites paradox 
> > > > 
> > > > The sorites paradox (/soʊˈraɪtiːz/;[1] sometimes known as the 
> > > > paradox of the heap) is a paradox that results from vague predicates. 
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox 
> > > > 
> > > > When is John wet? How long does it take? Can 
> > > > propositional logic deal with sentences like "John get's wet". 
> > > > Not only when is John wet, but also how long does it 
> > > > 
> > > > take until "John get's wet" is true. What if he only gets 
> > > > a little wet, and then the rain stops, and he drys up? 
> > > > Maybe its easier to build a turing machine for a SAT 
> > > > 
> > > Consider the conditional sentence: "If it is raining (R), then it is cloudy(C)." Here is the truth table: 
> > > 
> > > R C R=>C 
> > > T T T 
> > > T F F 
> > > F T T 
> > > F F T 
> > > 
> > > Now, the truth values of R and C will vary over time. The truth value of R=>C at time t can be determined only if the values of both R and C are know at time t. If, for example, we know only that both R(0) and C(0) are true, then the conditional R(0)=>C(0) will be true at time 0. On the other hand, if we know only that both R(0) and C(1) are true, we cannot determine the truth value of R(0)=>C(1). 
> > If we restrict our attention to propositions in the present tense, we can safely ignore the complications of temporal logic. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_logic 
> > > Dan 
> > > 
> > > Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
> > > Visit my Math Blog at http://www.dcproof.wordpress.com

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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:20 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 13:12 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 16:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 16:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-28 20:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 15:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-07-02 17:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 04:04 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-25 19:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 23:51 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 00:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 08:58 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 10:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 13:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:03 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 15:22 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 11:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-18 15:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 12:23 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:16 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 13:27 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:40 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:44 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:18 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 12:22 -0700
            Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 21:22 -0700
              Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 04:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:30 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:43 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-16 14:05 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Charlie-Boo <shymathguy@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 16:16 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:21 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 03:32 -0700
    Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-17 05:03 -0700
      Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:08 -0700
        Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2023-06-17 05:11 -0700
          Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 05:20 -0700
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 15:39 -0500
  Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 13:53 -0700

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