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Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value

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Date 2023-06-27 13:35 -0700
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Subject Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value
From Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com>

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Stop lying you sick fuck.

No I don't claim anymore that it can be formalized. I
changed the topic. While you didn't read Mark Thakkar,
I spent the time reading Mark Thakkar, and he

clearly says that this here:

"It will rain tomorrow."

Cannot be a statement with a truth value, neither in
propositional logic à la mathematical logic nor 
in first order logic à la mathematical logic.

He generally refuses that statements of the futures
act like facts, and can have truth values like facts.
So according to Mark Thakkar you can write down as fact:

"It was raining yesterday."

But you cannot write down as fact:

"It will rain tomorrow."

Maybe read the paper for once?

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~mnat/files/future.pdf

Dan Christensen schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2023 um 22:12:11 UTC+2:
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:55:14 PM UTC-4, Mild Shock wrote:
> > Dan Christensen schrieb am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2023 um 21:53:23 UTC+2: 
> 
> > > I guess I don't really need lines 7 and 8 of my revised formalization since I have x in Z in the premise. Then the formulization of "It will rain tomorrow" is Today(x) & Rain(x+1) for any x in Z where Today(x) means today is day x and Rain(x) means it rains on day x.
> > Even if Dan Christensen would make a 180° head turn, 
> > and listen to Mark Thakkar, I doubt that something 
> > productive will result.
> [snip more the same] 
> 
> Here I have presented a formalization of "It will rain tomorrow." (See above.) Unfortunately, for you, Mr. Collapse, it makes use of FOL and set theory. You foolishly claimed that it could be formalized using only propositional logic (with no predicates or quantifiers). Must be frustrating as hell for you.
> Dan 
> 
> Download my DC Proof 2.0 freeware at http://www.dcproof.com 
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-26 09:31 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-26 10:40 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 07:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 09:49 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 09:57 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 10:39 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 10:48 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 10:57 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:11 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:20 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 11:24 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 12:05 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:18 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:33 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 12:53 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:02 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 13:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:35 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:45 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-27 16:54 -0700
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                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:26 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 14:37 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 14:55 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:03 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:08 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:12 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:28 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-23 15:54 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:14 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:29 -0700
                Re: Why predictions about the future have no truth value Dan Christensen <Dan_Christensen@sympatico.ca> - 2023-06-20 15:22 -0700
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