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Re: Internet connection question

From felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
Newsgroups aus.computers
Subject Re: Internet connection question
Date 2017-07-08 17:07 +1000
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On Saturday, 8 Jul 2017 3:55 PM, felix wrote:
> On Saturday, 8 Jul 2017 1:21 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 3 Jul 2017 9:18 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 2 Jul 2017 10:44 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>> felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 1 Jul 2017 6:29 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 1 Jul 2017 12:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>>>>> try connecting a laptop to
>>>>>>>>> whatever network connection you want the TV to use (cable or 
>>>>>>>>> wifi),
>>>>>>>>> look at the network settings it is assigned automatically and 
>>>>>>>>> copy
>>>>>>>>> those in the Static IP settings on the TV before disconnecting 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> laptop and connecting up the TV. Unless you've gone and 
>>>>>>>>> assigned a
>>>>>>>>> static IP to the MAC address of your laptop in the modem's
>>>>>>>>> configuration, it should work.
>>>>>>>> great! I'll try that now and report back..
>>>>>>> unfortunately that didn't work because I discovered there's no 
>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>> mode for the LAN connection. the tv connects automatically, and 
>>>>>>> although
>>>>>>> it's possible to edit the connection data, since in this case 
>>>>>>> the tv
>>>>>>> won't connect, no editing of the connection is possible. 
>>>>>>> however, I am
>>>>>>> happy to say I have made significant progress! as the saying 
>>>>>>> goes, if
>>>>>>> mohammed wont go to the mountain, the mountain must go to 
>>>>>>> mohammed! so I
>>>>>>> took the router to the tv room and ran a cable back to the NBN 
>>>>>>> box (yes,
>>>>>>> a very long cable!) and then connected a short cable from the 
>>>>>>> router to
>>>>>>> the tv, and the tv connects via lan to the internet, no problem. 
>>>>>>> so it
>>>>>>> seems that TPG were correct and the length of cable is the issue,
>>>>>> But you still have a long cable going from the modem to the router,
>>>>>> and presumably it was working with your other devices connected
>>>>>> to the router before anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However if you had the Edimax WiFi device running at the same
>>>>>> time as you were trying to connect the TV directly with the
>>>>>> cable, perhaps the TV was still trying to connect on WiFi
>>>>>> and falling back to the cable connection each time that failed,
>>>>>> causing the connected-disconnected cycle. By disconnecting the
>>>>>> WiFi access point when you moved the router over to the TV,
>>>>>> you eliminated this problem.
>>>>> I had disabled the wifi connection before trying to connect via
>>>>> ethernet. you can only use one or the other, and you have to tell 
>>>>> the tv
>>>>> which one to connect to
>>>> Did you disable the Edimax device as well, just to be sure?
>>> why would that be necessary? the tv is not trying to connect to it, and
>>> I have to tell it which connection to use, lan or wifi
>> Just in case the TV is actually trying to connect with the WiFi access
>> point that you've configured (although disabled) and disabling the wired
>> connection when it does so, then changing it's mind and going back to 
>> the
>> wired conenction again. It would be a software bug in the TV, but it's
>> the sort of thing I've seen before in poorly developed network software.
>> If it were the problem, a firmware update may have already been released
>> to fix it.
>>
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> prompts me to ask, is there such as thing as a LAN signal booster?
>>>>>>> because it seems that the problem is simply a low level of signal
>>>>>>> reaching the tv from the router.
>>>>>> So you think the 70' cable from the modem is OK, but the cable that
>>>>>> runs from the router in the lounge room to the TV in the same room
>>>>>> is too long. Unless you have a lounge room over 70' long, that 
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> make much sense.
>>>>>    the router is in the study, I just moved it to the lounge room 
>>>>> so I
>>>>> could run a short cable to the tv, and the tv connected.
>>>> Have you started calling the modem the "router"?
>>> yes because Rod was calling the NBN box the modem, so I was wanting to
>>> avoid confusion
>> OK, that makes sense now then.
>>
>>>> I thought you meant
>>>> the "auto-switch" that you said distributed the network to the six
>>>> devices in your lounge room.
>>> ok. NBN box is in the study, as is the TPG modem/router. TV is in the
>>> lounge room. cable goes from TPG/MR to an ethernet wall socket in the
>>> study. there's an ethernet outlet from that in the lounge room. cable
>>> connects from this to a distribution auto switch. cables from the 
>>> switch
>>> connect the TV and the Edimax wifi sender and other equipment
>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, the length limitation is due to timing issues rather than
>>>>>> signal losses over the cable length, so a "booster" wouldn't work.
>>>>>> If you actually had a length problem, the solution would be to move
>>>>>> to fiber optic cabling, but you don't have that problem - the length
>>>>>> you're talking about should work easily with any normal copper
>>>>>> Ethernet cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>> well if there's no solution, I guess I'll just have to stick with 
>>>>> wifi
>>>> There's clearly a solution. What about the four other devices in your
>>>> lounge room besides the TV and the Edimax WiFi access point (assuming
>>>> that doesn't work with anything else either), are they working?
>>> yes everything else works. only the tv does not connect via ethernet,
>>> but connects via wifi no problem
>> Well ethernet cables are not selective about the IP addresses they allow
>> through them over a certain length, so if some of your devices are 
>> working
>> at the end of that cable, then it isn't the problem. The other parts you
>> eliminated from the equation when you successfully tested connecting the
>> router to the TV directly were the Edimax WiFi access point (mentioned
>> above), and the auto-switch. This means that if you run a cable from the
>> wall socket in the lounge room straight to the TV, bypassing the Edimax
>> and the auto-switch, the TV should also connect. If, in the original
>> configuration, disabling the Edimax WiFi device doesn't resolve the 
>> trouble,
>> it must be the auto-switch that is causing you the problem (or 
>> equally the
>> TV, that's doing something the switch doesn't like, but your router 
>> puts up
>> with). You might try connecting the cable to the TV to a different 
>> port on
>> the auto-switch in case there's just an issue with that particular port.
>> Failing that, try another auto-switch.
>>
>
> all good suggestions. I will try them, and report. thanks,
>
>
well this is interesting! before doing anything else, I connected the 
ethernet cable (after disconnecting the wifi of course) and the tv 
connected instantly! I had noticed that the auto switch had shifted 
adjacent to a power board, so I moved it away. could the problem have 
been RF/EMF corruption? or perhaps a dodgy socket in the auto switch, 
and just moving the switch a bit made the connection good? in any case 
it's working fine now (I tried disconnecting and reconnecting several 
times). so leave sleeping dogs lie methinks. or in this case sleeping 
auto switches..


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