Re: Internet connection question

From	felix <felix@real_felix.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: Internet connection question
Date	2017-07-08 15:55 +1000
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On Saturday, 8 Jul 2017 1:21 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:
>> On Monday, 3 Jul 2017 9:18 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 2 Jul 2017 10:44 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>> felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, 1 Jul 2017 6:29 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 1 Jul 2017 12:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>>>> try connecting a laptop to
>>>>>>>> whatever network connection you want the TV to use (cable or wifi),
>>>>>>>> look at the network settings it is assigned automatically and copy
>>>>>>>> those in the Static IP settings on the TV before disconnecting the
>>>>>>>> laptop and connecting up the TV. Unless you've gone and assigned a
>>>>>>>> static IP to the MAC address of your laptop in the modem's
>>>>>>>> configuration, it should work.
>>>>>>> great! I'll try that now and report back..
>>>>>> unfortunately that didn't work because I discovered there's no manual
>>>>>> mode for the LAN connection. the tv connects automatically, and although
>>>>>> it's possible to edit the connection data, since in this case the tv
>>>>>> won't connect, no editing of the connection is possible. however, I am
>>>>>> happy to say I have made significant progress! as the saying goes, if
>>>>>> mohammed wont go to the mountain, the mountain must go to mohammed! so I
>>>>>> took the router to the tv room and ran a cable back to the NBN box (yes,
>>>>>> a very long cable!) and then connected a short cable from the router to
>>>>>> the tv, and the tv connects via lan to the internet, no problem. so it
>>>>>> seems that TPG were correct and the length of cable is the issue,
>>>>> But you still have a long cable going from the modem to the router,
>>>>> and presumably it was working with your other devices connected
>>>>> to the router before anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> However if you had the Edimax WiFi device running at the same
>>>>> time as you were trying to connect the TV directly with the
>>>>> cable, perhaps the TV was still trying to connect on WiFi
>>>>> and falling back to the cable connection each time that failed,
>>>>> causing the connected-disconnected cycle. By disconnecting the
>>>>> WiFi access point when you moved the router over to the TV,
>>>>> you eliminated this problem.
>>>> I had disabled the wifi connection before trying to connect via
>>>> ethernet. you can only use one or the other, and you have to tell the tv
>>>> which one to connect to
>>> Did you disable the Edimax device as well, just to be sure?
>> why would that be necessary? the tv is not trying to connect to it, and
>> I have to tell it which connection to use, lan or wifi
> Just in case the TV is actually trying to connect with the WiFi access
> point that you've configured (although disabled) and disabling the wired
> connection when it does so, then changing it's mind and going back to the
> wired conenction again. It would be a software bug in the TV, but it's
> the sort of thing I've seen before in poorly developed network software.
> If it were the problem, a firmware update may have already been released
> to fix it.
>
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> prompts me to ask, is there such as thing as a LAN signal booster?
>>>>>> because it seems that the problem is simply a low level of signal
>>>>>> reaching the tv from the router.
>>>>> So you think the 70' cable from the modem is OK, but the cable that
>>>>> runs from the router in the lounge room to the TV in the same room
>>>>> is too long. Unless you have a lounge room over 70' long, that doesn't
>>>>> make much sense.
>>>>    the router is in the study, I just moved it to the lounge room so I
>>>> could run a short cable to the tv, and the tv connected.
>>> Have you started calling the modem the "router"?
>> yes because Rod was calling the NBN box the modem, so I was wanting to
>> avoid confusion
> OK, that makes sense now then.
>
>>> I thought you meant
>>> the "auto-switch" that you said distributed the network to the six
>>> devices in your lounge room.
>> ok. NBN box is in the study, as is the TPG modem/router. TV is in the
>> lounge room. cable goes from TPG/MR to an ethernet wall socket in the
>> study. there's an ethernet outlet from that in the lounge room. cable
>> connects from this to a distribution auto switch. cables from the switch
>> connect the TV and the Edimax wifi sender and other equipment
>>
>>>>> Anyway, the length limitation is due to timing issues rather than
>>>>> signal losses over the cable length, so a "booster" wouldn't work.
>>>>> If you actually had a length problem, the solution would be to move
>>>>> to fiber optic cabling, but you don't have that problem - the length
>>>>> you're talking about should work easily with any normal copper
>>>>> Ethernet cable.
>>>>>
>>>> well if there's no solution, I guess I'll just have to stick with wifi
>>> There's clearly a solution. What about the four other devices in your
>>> lounge room besides the TV and the Edimax WiFi access point (assuming
>>> that doesn't work with anything else either), are they working?
>> yes everything else works. only the tv does not connect via ethernet,
>> but connects via wifi no problem
> Well ethernet cables are not selective about the IP addresses they allow
> through them over a certain length, so if some of your devices are working
> at the end of that cable, then it isn't the problem. The other parts you
> eliminated from the equation when you successfully tested connecting the
> router to the TV directly were the Edimax WiFi access point (mentioned
> above), and the auto-switch. This means that if you run a cable from the
> wall socket in the lounge room straight to the TV, bypassing the Edimax
> and the auto-switch, the TV should also connect. If, in the original
> configuration, disabling the Edimax WiFi device doesn't resolve the trouble,
> it must be the auto-switch that is causing you the problem (or equally the
> TV, that's doing something the switch doesn't like, but your router puts up
> with). You might try connecting the cable to the TV to a different port on
> the auto-switch in case there's just an issue with that particular port.
> Failing that, try another auto-switch.
>

all good suggestions. I will try them, and report. thanks,


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