lodgings

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject	lodgings
Date	2025-09-22 12:10 +0200
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On 2025-09-22 02:17, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 22:33:23 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-09-21 22:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 20/09/2025 23:07, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-09-20 21:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 19/09/2025 21:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-09-19 07:11, c186282 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/19/25 00:38, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 15:16:18 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Of course I am low rent.  I worked at low-paying jobs with all
>>>>>>>> sorts
>>>>>>>>>      and
>>>>>>>>> shades of skin color. Not being able to work full time or part
>>>>>>>>> time did
>>>>>>>>> not pay any better but I did the best I could and was raised to be
>>>>>>>>> rather thrifty.  A tight-wad and a penny-pincher wth expensive
>>>>>>>>> taste for
>>>>>>>>> my economic class.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm a college educated redneck but never developed expensive tastes
>>>>>>>> thankfully and have a minimalist life style. That led to little
>>>>>>>> anomalies
>>>>>>>> like buying a relatively expensive computer while sleeping on a
>>>>>>>> mattress
>>>>>>>> on the floor. The computer was a business expense anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I got the AARP mag today with the glossy photos of high end
>>>>>>>> retirement
>>>>>>>> communities, scenic cruises, and vacations to exotic places for a
>>>>>>>> glimpse
>>>>>>>> into another world. I'd rather mow the lawn and scratch the cat's
>>>>>>>> ears
>>>>>>>> when she comes back from whatever exotic place she visits when I
>>>>>>>> fire up
>>>>>>>> the lawnmower.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read 'Walden' at a formative age I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Heh ... I'm kind of in a similar groove. Don't need or
>>>>>>>     want the 'elegant lifestyle' bullshit or to hob-knob
>>>>>>>     with the 'elites' or project 'image'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     It's WAY cheaper - keeps you in the black and well
>>>>>>>     away from the red. Also just FAR less BS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Cruises ... well, if you crave a dose of norovirus  :-)
>>>>>>>     Besides, people might want to talk at you about
>>>>>>>     Stupid Stuff ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people say that it is cheaper to live on a long cruise than
>>>>>> paying the rent back home.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who in their right mind would pay that kind of rent?
>>>>
>>>> When there is no alternative...
>>>>
>>> There are always alternatives.
>>> They could move the South Wales.
>>> (Rents are pretty cheap - for good & sufficient reasons.)
>>
>> Well... not everybody wants to emigrate.
>>
>> For instance, there are many jobs in the island of Mallorca, specially
>> in summer. But there is no affordable houses or rooms to be had. So the
>> workers sleep in tents or cars instead. They are not poor, they have
>> good salaries. But housing prices skyrocketed.
>>
>> Youths that managed to register to their dream university have to
>> abandon their studies because they don't get anywhere affordable to live
>> while they study.
> 
> 
> Key West is at the southermost tip of Florida.  While it is a general
> tourist destination, it is also known as a very gay-friendly city.
> 
> Housing for service workers in the bar and restaurant industries is
> both scarce and extremely expensive.  The city already takes up all of
> the land at Florida's tip, so there's no place to add housing.  The
> Keys are a narrow pininsula with water on both sides.

I have near me a somewhat near peninsula, called "La Manga".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Manga>

«La Manga (Spanish pronunciation: [la ˈmaŋɡa]), or La Manga del Mar 
Menor (meaning "The Sandbar of the Minor Sea") is a seaside spit of Mar 
Menor in the Region of Murcia, Spain.

The strip is 21 km long and 100 metres wide (average), separating the 
Mediterranean Sea from the Mar Menor (Minor Sea) lagoon, from Cabo de 
Palos to the Punta del Mojón.»

At some hours, the single road collapses.


> Consequently, many service workers have to find accomodation in cities
> further north than Key West, and there is basically one north/south
> road - that can be highly congested -  in the entire Keys.  People who
> commute to Key West to work are faced with long commute times and
> commuting costs.

I guess no railway either.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-21 17:54 +1000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 10:17 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 09:44 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 11:27 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 10:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 11:53 +0200
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-21 20:26 +1000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 08:50 -0700
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 19:28 +0200
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 12:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 13:41 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:32 +0200
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-22 22:00 -0400
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-23 09:26 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 08:45 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-23 11:50 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 11:30 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:22 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:26 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-24 08:51 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 09:24 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:40 +0000
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:34 +0100
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-24 09:05 +1000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:27 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 18:19 -0700
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-23 21:40 -0400
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:26 -0700
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 09:37 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:15 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:25 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 19:27 +0000
                Topic drift and culture wars (was Re: Floppies) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-25 05:54 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 03:54 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:18 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 18:38 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 16:19 +0200
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 07:58 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:33 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:01 +0200
                Re: Floppies Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-09-22 12:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 09:01 -0700
                Anarchy Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-22 06:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 08:48 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 17:28 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:21 +0000
                Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:49 +0200
                Re: Ousting a king The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:02 +0100
                Re: Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 20:19 +0200
                Re: Ousting a king The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:14 +0100
                Re: Ousting a king rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 17:52 +0000
                Re: Ousting a king Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:03 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 12:48 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:53 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 19:59 +0200
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-22 00:19 -0600
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 09:28 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: Floppies Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-23 08:44 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:40 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2025-09-22 11:35 +0100
                Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:58 +0200
                Re: Multiple residences rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 18:58 +0000
                Re: Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:43 +0200
                Re: Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 22:09 +0200
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 21:55 +1000
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-22 18:09 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 19:18 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-22 22:02 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 02:45 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:09 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:42 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:36 +0100
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 15:24 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:23 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 09:51 -0700
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:36 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:28 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:11 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 10:07 +1000
                Re: Floppies vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-22 00:29 +0000
                Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:14 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:08 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 19:46 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 16:01 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 05:27 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 23:35 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 19:22 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 13:16 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 04:31 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 21:38 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-23 11:25 +1000
                Re: Desalinated water The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:17 +0100
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 10:02 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:50 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:43 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:11 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:24 +0000
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 20:07 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:25 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 19:35 -0700
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-22 21:25 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:29 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 05:12 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 02:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:39 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:08 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:24 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:42 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:25 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:03 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:22 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:44 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:18 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 04:57 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:48 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:38 -0700
            Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-19 12:05 +0200
              Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 07:58 -0700
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:37 +0000
      Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:10 +0200
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:55 +0000
    Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:55 +0100
      Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 23:21 -0400
      Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:55 +0000
        Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:32 +0100
          Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:27 +0000
            Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 09:07 +1000
              Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
              Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 00:20 -0400
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 14:57 +1000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-19 11:41 -0600
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 18:55 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-20 14:44 +1000
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 08:09 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:43 +0100
              Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:17 +0000
      Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:22 +0200
        Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 12:40 +0100
        Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 08:56 -0700
          Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 18:30 +0000
            Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:22 -0700
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:50 +0000
          Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
            Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:51 +0000
            Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:01 +0100
              Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 15:34 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:15 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:10 +0100
    Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:27 +0000
      Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-18 00:06 -0400
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:58 +0000

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