Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

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Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date	2024-12-13 11:41 +0100
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/12/24 11:56 PM, Rich wrote:
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> It is so strange.  Your program fails the most nr of people, and has
>>> the most nr of people leave the program.  This is bad.  However...
>>> when we look at if the students get jobs after their education, your
>>> program has a 100% job ratio, and all of your students get salaries
>>> above the average for their age group.  This is so strange!
>> 
>> “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary
>> depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair
>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something
>
>  Wow ... he understood this SO far back !
>
>  But then there have been bureaucracies, and pointy-haired
>  bosses, since antiquity ...
>
>> This is why college success measures should be based upon how
>> employable their graduates are.  Gone (or seriously reduced in size)
>> would be all the degree programs that don't produce gainfully
>> employable graduates.
>> 
>> Instead the measure is how much student loan money they can hoover out
>> of each student during the student's time on campus.  And by that
>> measure they are all resounding successes.
>
>  MONEY, rather than MERIT, has always been important - but
>  I think it's become SO much the over-riding factor now
>  that The Future is seriously endangered.
>
>  Read back to the early universities. MOST students were
>  just fops, kids of Rich Guys. They were sent there for
>  'prestige' reasons, NOT to actually LEARN anything.
>  Indeed it was considered pedestrian for 'gentlemen' TO
>  learn anything. We're talking 1300s/1400s here ... the
>  pattern was set .......
>
>  As for the know-nothing kiddies getting high salaries ...
>  maybe think of it in 'evolutionary' terms. They will
>  destroy their employers, then move on and destroy even
>  more employers. In the end, moronic employers will
>  be selected-against  :-)

What's happening is that many companies are just not hiring from 
vocational schools any longer because the quality of the students is too 
low.

I sometimes hire from them, but _only_ when I have been the teacher. That 
allows me to pin point exactly who the passionate ones are, and those can 
be very powerful allies, at a low initial salary cost!

But if I would not be the teacher, I would never dare to do that, since 
Gen Z, and especially Gen Z from vocational schools are completely crazy 
in most cases.

Have a business partner who thinks exactly the same. He announced a linux 
sys admin job a few weeks back, and got 100 replies.

1/3 he threw away because those were indians without swedish knowledge. 
1/3 were people about to retire who just want to wait until they are 65, 
and he wants someone long term, and not someone who disappear after 1 or 2 
years, and 1/3 were from vocational schools, that he by default throws 
away. The search continues!

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Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:40 +0100
  Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 02:05 -0500
    Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 13:39 +0100
      Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
        Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-09 01:22 -0500
          Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 15:28 +0000
            Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 15:58 +0000
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 21:53 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:29 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 20:09 +0100
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:23 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:09 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:39 +0000
            Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:15 +0000
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-10 04:41 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:50 +0000
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:07 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:52 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:06 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-12 03:38 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:49 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-13 04:56 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-13 02:20 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 08:38 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:42 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:41 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-13 11:32 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:01 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:48 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:40 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:15 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:09 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 18:17 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:34 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-14 05:18 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 13:08 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:51 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:15 +0100
      Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 11:39 -0800
        Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 20:22 +0000
        Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:52 +0100
          Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-12 03:07 -0500
            Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 08:22 +0000
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 08:13 -0800
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-13 01:55 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 08:30 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 07:53 -0800
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:45 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:38 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:14 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:53 +0100
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:13 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 18:28 +0000

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