Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:41:12 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <9da8c661-3a5c-8e47-67a8-812eaf4cfedb@example.net> References: <99e16cd0-fc18-0799-79be-460bbe75262c@example.net> <1AqdnVrHJMM8Ecv6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <83db220b-e527-8f64-b6e5-e69c2e755d3a@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1705014031-1734086473=:17080" Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2637045"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:62315 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1705014031-1734086473=:17080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 13 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > On 12/12/24 11:56 PM, Rich wrote: >> D wrote: >>> It is so strange. Your program fails the most nr of people, and has >>> the most nr of people leave the program. This is bad. However... >>> when we look at if the students get jobs after their education, your >>> program has a 100% job ratio, and all of your students get salaries >>> above the average for their age group. This is so strange! >> >> β€œIt is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary >> depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair >> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something > > Wow ... he understood this SO far back ! > > But then there have been bureaucracies, and pointy-haired > bosses, since antiquity ... > >> This is why college success measures should be based upon how >> employable their graduates are. Gone (or seriously reduced in size) >> would be all the degree programs that don't produce gainfully >> employable graduates. >> >> Instead the measure is how much student loan money they can hoover out >> of each student during the student's time on campus. And by that >> measure they are all resounding successes. > > MONEY, rather than MERIT, has always been important - but > I think it's become SO much the over-riding factor now > that The Future is seriously endangered. > > Read back to the early universities. MOST students were > just fops, kids of Rich Guys. They were sent there for > 'prestige' reasons, NOT to actually LEARN anything. > Indeed it was considered pedestrian for 'gentlemen' TO > learn anything. We're talking 1300s/1400s here ... the > pattern was set ....... > > As for the know-nothing kiddies getting high salaries ... > maybe think of it in 'evolutionary' terms. They will > destroy their employers, then move on and destroy even > more employers. In the end, moronic employers will > be selected-against :-) What's happening is that many companies are just not hiring from vocational schools any longer because the quality of the students is too low. I sometimes hire from them, but _only_ when I have been the teacher. That allows me to pin point exactly who the passionate ones are, and those can be very powerful allies, at a low initial salary cost! But if I would not be the teacher, I would never dare to do that, since Gen Z, and especially Gen Z from vocational schools are completely crazy in most cases. Have a business partner who thinks exactly the same. He announced a linux sys admin job a few weeks back, and got 100 replies. 1/3 he threw away because those were indians without swedish knowledge. 1/3 were people about to retire who just want to wait until they are 65, and he wants someone long term, and not someone who disappear after 1 or 2 years, and 1/3 were from vocational schools, that he by default throws away. The search continues! --8323328-1705014031-1734086473=:17080--