Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

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On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>> This is not so good. I hope IBM won't kill redhat in the end.
>
>
>  Alas I think they will. As said, you are now IBMs
>  beta tester. This is valuable for working out a
>  number of kinks - but eventually the kinks will
>  be kinda dealt with. Then RH and its downstream
>  parasites will Go Away.

This is very sad. I know a guy who is an EMEA level manager at Redhat, so he
benefited from the acquisition with a nice promotion. According to him, what IBM
is currently doing to destroy it is to mess around with licensing, to make it
more draconian and more expensive. Ceph has moved to IBM, so that will probably
go downhill, since IBM will always push GPFS over ceph.

At redhat, the only things that is focused on is Openshift, as the ultimate
lock-in tool, so the OS just lives to the side in its own world.

What is sad is that SUSE is doing the excat same thing. Their strategy seems to
be to copy everything Redhat does, and do it worse. They now only focus on
rancher, and are leaving the OS to the side. They closed down their openstack
and their ceph.

What they sadly don't realize is that the OS is their jewel. I would focus on
that in the embedded space, they had a hueg lead in the SAP space, and see if I
could grow up. But no... rancher and containers it is, and there redhat is
blocking them well with openshift.

>
>>>  Switched to Deb - but now IT seems to have hired
>>>  a bunch of Canonical rejects .....
>> 
>> Deb has been on my list to try, in case opensuse finally dies. I also 
>> thought about trying Alpine linux but I do not know how much trouble musl 
>> will cause me. Finally, if those do not deliver, I thought about actually 
>> going back to some of my earliest experiments and try FreeBSD for day to 
>> day use. Since I'm not a cutting edfe developer, I only need some basics, 
>> which I think all are in the FreeBSD packages, so if they fixed their wifi 
>> problem (I tried it 1 year ago and had to run a small linux VM for a 
>> working wifi driver) it could definitely be a serious option. Oh, and that 
>> would mean it doesn't drain the battery as well. But let's see. I think I 
>> can stick with opensuse 15.6 for at least another 2-3 years, and then they 
>> might kill the project in favuor of some container based crap.
>
>
>  Deb WAS the Solid Foundation ... until now. It became
>  just another 'Buntu IMHO. Tragic !
>
>  The BSDs are "usable" - really Not Bad. However remember
>  they are Unix, not Linux, so a lot of little stuff is
>  different. They also tend to be a few years behind when
>  it comes to drivers. The real target is SERVERS, not
>  desktops.

True. BSDs are a bit behind, but since my main use case is office + light
scripting + some light servers stuff (backup, web server, etc.) BSDs should be
fine I think. We will see in about 1-2 years when the time comes to leave
opensuse 15.6 behind.

>  OpenSUSE/Tumbleweed ... DID get it to run on a Pi-4,
>  albeit a bit clunky sometimes because it isn't a
>  "light" distro. Pi-5s are WEIRD ... can't even get
>  a Fedora for those even a year on. Apparently the
>  boot-up chain of events is a huge kludge. HAVE
>  found instructions - pages and pages and pages
>  of them - WAY too old for that shit and half of
>  it would probably disappear on the next update.

I have a radxa zero for my kodi/tv use, and I tried to get opensuse to run on it
and it was not possible. The radxa zero, being some kind of chinese raspberry
copy had horrible documentation, so in the end, the only thing I managed to get
working was some kind of dev snapshot of debian in their git repository.

I would loooose for raspberry to develop an updated version of the pi zero. That
is what the radxa is. I have 4 GB ram and 16 GB built in flash storage on the
tiniest board. It was wifi and bluetooth, and kodi and 1080p runs well on it.

If raspberry updated their zero to those specs (or beyond) I would drop the
radxa in a second since I expect that the git repository will become
unmaintained in a year or two.

>  If you really want an alt, consider Arch and
>  derivs. Endeavour is nice. Manjaro works well
>  (but, like Tumbleweed, kinda updates the ENTIRE
>  system at the slightest change).

Thank you for the pointers. Have made a note of this.

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