Re: Musk et al.

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: Musk et al.
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
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Date	2025-02-17 07:27 +1000
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In comp.os.linux.misc D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2025, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> With Trump v1 I hoped Australia's eternal arse kissing of America
>> might become at least a bit less blind. Nope, still with 'em all
>> the way. Same this time no doubt - Australian intelligence agencies
>> will be the last ones to stop sharing every little scrap of info
>> they get on anyone to the USA where they officially don't give a
>> stuff about the rights of any Australian. Trump will keep the deal
>> to sell us nuclear subs going, but that won't actually happen until
>> after he's long gone anyway (out of office, and probably also died
>> of old age by then).
> 
> Is it true what I read in the newspaper from my little corner of the world, that
> australia is turning into a surveillance state?
> 
> Sweden is also turning into a surveillance state as well, so maybe this is a new
> global trend that caught on after corona?

It pre-dates corona. Really the USA started it, I'm not sure what
exactly their legal basis is but somehow they can compel any tech
company there to give them a backdoor (see Snowden leaks (which
include showing the co-operation of Apple), Lavabit, etc.) and
later in the 2010s compelled its allies to enact laws permitting
the same thing there.

In countries where the press still has a heartbeat like the UK, the
legal changes get reported on and that causes some public debate.
In Australia anything that your average "cat rescued from up a
tree" reporter doesn't understand never gets covered properly in the
press, so we've got even broader and more vague laws permitting
online surveillance than the UK. I'm not sure about the USA, where
the intelliegence agencies seem to have had a free-for-all for a
long time. Although they do have some responsibility to the
individual rights of US citizens, however no responsibility to the
rights of foreigners who'se information foreign governments like
the Australian gov. sends to them.

I'm just waiting to hear about a data leak from one of these
intelligence agencies. I'll bet it's already happened, what with
Snowden being able to share the NSA's internal documents with the
media, how many similar guys sold the actual collected data to
criminals or enemy govs? But for that to be revealed publicly
someone would have to find out from the criminals or the enemy
gov. The NSA (or foreign equivalent) will obviously never admit
to something like that happening, possibly not even to their own
government.

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