Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored

From	D <nospam@example.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored
Date	2025-02-13 22:07 +0100
Organization	i2pn2 (i2pn.org)
Message-ID	<563e6d1d-fabb-598e-e500-0bcb847c7009@example.net> (permalink)
References	<R3idnTt4H_lt8DD6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <m15k6pFlg2rU1@mid.individual.net> <5cGcnReFBprdLzD6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com>

Cross-posted to 2 groups.

Show all headers | View raw


On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 2/13/25 2:10 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>>     Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better,
>>>     eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a
>>>     bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed
>>>     but WILL eventually arrive.
>> 
>> So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and they
>> don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is true the
>> whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable.
>
>
>  Well, I agree about "CNNs"  :-)
>
>  As for LLMs ... dunno. Get enough stuff going there and
>  something very hard, maybe impossible, to distinguish
>  from "someone in there" may be realized. Then what do
>  we do - ruthlessly pull the plug ?

Nope. Volition, will to live, drive, goals are completely missing. The 
best trick to find out if you're talking with an AI is to write nothing. A 
human will write "hello" after a few seconds. The AI will just sit there 
waiting for input.

Yes... those things can be hardcoded, but what would make me impressed is 
when spontaneous behaviour, motivation, will to live emerges on its own, 
without being hard coded or simulated through logic.

Then we're talking AI!

>
>> The problem I see is already starting -- turning them into weapons and
>> letting them run autonomously. One of the 'hello world' applications is
>> training a NN on a huge number of labeled photos of cats and dogs and the
>> models perform very well.
>
>  NNs - kinda modeling real-life neurons - will eventually
>  result in "someone in there" ... maybe more recognizable
>  than anything the LLMs produce.
>
>  As for weapons - that's well in progress now, with China
>  ahead of the game according to various reports. Fully
>  autonomous weapons are game-changers. Just tell 'em to
>  "ID Enemy. KILL Enemy" is about all it'd take. In theory
>  such devices could be extremely fast, strong, accurate.
>  Remember the Hunter-Killer drones from "Terminator" -
>  that sort of thing (likely a bit smaller) and they would
>  NOT miss shots.
>
>> The metrics are sort of a truth table, with false negatives, false
>> positives, and correct identification. It's a stochastic process so you're
>> looking at 'good enough', maybe 97%. Say I hate dogs, set up a camera in
>> the yard, and shoot all the dogs. A few dogs are going to slide and I'll
>> kill a few cats.
>
>  Oh well ... a few friendly-fire casualties are expected ...
>
>> Now hand this to the military. The AI decides it sees a terrorist and a
>> Reaper puts a Hellfire missile up his ass. You get a few school kids, but
>> that's life.
>
>  Yep. Some may freak about that, but that's how it goes.
>  It's doubly true for people like Hamas who kinda literally
>  stacked up babies as sandbags.
>
>> The Israelis may already be doing something like that or maybe they just
>> randomly kill people, who knows?
>> 
>> Give AI enhanced facial recognition to the cops -- won't that be fun.
>> Enter 'Minority Report'.
>
>  Oh, there ARE very very dark possibilities .....
>
>  Coming soon to a street near you.
>
>  As for 'Minority', they ARE training AIs to "identify
>  emotional states" from various cues. In theory the bots
>  will spot your malicious intent, perhaps before even you
>  realize you were feeling malicious. "The Computer Said So"
>  is all the justification The State needs ...
>
>  The "a few mistakes are OK" logic WILL be applied.
>

Back to comp.os.linux.misc | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar

Thread

Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 22:58 -0500
  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:10 +0000
    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-13 03:50 -0500
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:07 +0100
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:16 -0500
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:50 +0100
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-14 10:30 +0000
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:46 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 22:51 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 03:22 -0500
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:36 +0100
                Motivation of High Performing People Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 14:56 +0000
                Re: Motivation of High Performing People D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 22:15 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:53 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:38 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-15 21:13 -0500
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:51 +0100
                Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 15:01 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 15:52 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-15 13:18 -0500
                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-15 17:23 -0600
                Re: Musk et al. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-15 19:37 -0500
                Re: Musk et al. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-02-16 02:00 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 03:36 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:52 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-02-16 16:36 -0300
                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:40 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-15 21:13 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-16 07:45 +1000
                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-16 20:44 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-16 07:28 +1000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 11:42 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 07:33 -0600
                Re: Musk et al. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-16 13:47 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 15:18 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 07:41 +1000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:40 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-17 18:08 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:31 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-17 21:38 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:40 +0100
                [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-18 13:30 +0000
                Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 22:35 +0100
                Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage (was: Re: Musk et al.) Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 16:42 -0500
                Re: [OT] dual nationality and marriage % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-02-18 15:22 -0700
                Re: Musk et al. Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-17 22:09 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:45 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-17 09:10 -0600
                Re: Musk et al. Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-17 16:54 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-18 09:25 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 13:29 -0600
                Re: Musk et al. CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-02-16 08:57 -0500
                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-16 09:13 -0600
                Re: Musk et al. Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2025-02-16 16:35 -0300
                Re: Musk et al. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-16 21:08 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 08:02 +1000
                Re: Musk et al. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-17 05:04 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:42 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 11:49 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-17 07:27 +1000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 13:45 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-17 12:54 +0000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:27 +0100
                Re: Musk et al. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-17 10:28 -0600
                Re: Musk et al. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-18 07:27 +1000
                Re: Musk et al. D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:38 +0100
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:34 +0000
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 21:43 +0000
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-14 00:24 +0000
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 02:54 +0000
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:35 -0500
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:53 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:40 +0000
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:39 +0000
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:45 +0100
              Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:45 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 11:37 -0600
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:50 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 22:50 +0100
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:50 +0000
                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:37 +0100
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:45 +0100
    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:05 +0100
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 22:08 +0000
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:42 +0100
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-13 16:36 -0600
        Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-14 01:32 -0500
          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-14 09:51 +0100
            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored usuario3@esware.naleco.com (Usuario Tres ESware) - 2025-02-16 21:03 +0100
    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-02-14 11:32 -0500

csiph-web