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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored |
| Date | 2025-02-14 09:50 +0100 |
| Organization | i2pn2 (i2pn.org) |
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: > On 2/13/25 4:07 PM, D wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: >> >>> On 2/13/25 2:10 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>>> >>>>> Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better, >>>>> eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a >>>>> bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed >>>>> but WILL eventually arrive. >>>> >>>> So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and >>>> they >>>> don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is true >>>> the >>>> whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable. >>> >>> >>> Well, I agree about "CNNs" :-) >>> >>> As for LLMs ... dunno. Get enough stuff going there and >>> something very hard, maybe impossible, to distinguish >>> from "someone in there" may be realized. Then what do >>> we do - ruthlessly pull the plug ? >> >> Nope. Volition, will to live, drive, goals are completely missing. The best >> trick to find out if you're talking with an AI is to write nothing. A human >> will write "hello" after a few seconds. The AI will just sit there waiting >> for input. >> >> Yes... those things can be hardcoded, but what would make me impressed is >> when spontaneous behaviour, motivation, will to live emerges on its own, >> without being hard coded or simulated through logic. >> >> Then we're talking AI! > > I am not beyond thinking LLMs will eventually, maybe > kinda soon, exhibit 'conscious', 'self-realized' > intelligence. The complexity increases apace. At > SOME point .......... I do not things LLMs will reach consciousness, looking at the technology, training data and how they work. I see them as a potential "language center" of the brain of a AGI. > But how do we KNOW and what do we DO about it ? We look at the effects. That's all we can do. > Those are the HARD questions. Yes! Let me welcome you to alt.philosophy! =) Hard and interesting questions! > NNs seem MORE likely to yield 'consciousness', but > that's a few years along. But, once again, if we > realize there's "someone in there" what do we DO ? I believe they are more likely to give rise to something spontaneous, but I think there needs to be a fundamental technology shift or two, in order for them to yield anything close to that. Not in their current form, with the current technology. > IMHO - you make them a citizen. Let 'em run for > office and such. That is one option. An immortal, all knowing citizen. Does that scare you? ;) In the end, one option is that AI:s and robots become the children of our race, who will live on when we are gone.
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Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 22:58 -0500
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