Re: Musk et al.

From	Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: Musk et al.
Date	2025-02-15 21:13 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<slrnvr20sc.122n8.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> (permalink)
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On 2025-02-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> It is amazing how fast Trump et al are Making America Small,
>>> contemptible and entirely without honour on the world stage.
>>> Heading for N Korean status.
 
On 15/02/2025 15:01, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>> Sadly, that is the Truth. And it is terrifying to watch from within.
>> But I am surprised to hear that from you. I thought you would
>> like his libertarian smoke screen?

On 2025-02-15, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I am a total libertarian. I agree strongly with his *avowed* stance on 
> free speech, wokery, asian immigration, and pseudo solutions to the 
> climate change bogey man. If applied in the USA.
>
> But whether he believes any of it at all, is open to question.

I am relieved to hear that and I share our contempt for hyprocricy in
leaders. In my book, a proven hypocrite can no longer be trusted. At all
and in any situation. A man is as good as his word, and if the word is
no good, neither is the man.

I can respect a man (or woman) with whom I have an honest disagreement,
even if the disagreement is about goals and values. So long as (s)he is
honest, we can search for smaller (tactical) goals we can agree on, and
find common ground. But a liar and a cheater, whose word is no good, I
cannot see how I can work with. At all.

> And he has no right, other than 'because I can' to piss all over 
> Ukraine, Gaza, Canada, Europe, Britain and of course Greenland at the 
> same time as saying that he isn't interested in other countries at all 
> and is solely working for the USA.

Exactly.

> In fact at this point in time he appears to be working for Russia.
>
> If he wants to isolate the USA and stand alone when China attacks, that 
> is his prerogative. The USA has all it needs to survive alone.  Just poorer.
>
> But as we have learnt with Putin, it now seems that any international 
> treaty that a nation signs up to with the USA will be reneged upon as 
> soon as it suits America.
> People will take their business out of dollars and put it in sterling or 
> the Euro. Dealings with the USA will be strictly cash up front. They 
> will think twice about buying US military kit that comes with a 'does 
> not work in Russia' sticker on it. They will avoid Boeing altogether 
> after yet another debacle ...
>
> The transition from ally to fair weather friend, only when it suits 
> Trump, will result in loss of airbases all over Europe and the 
> impossibility of carrying out middle eastern Air strikes. What's that? 
> but we have signed contracts for the leases? We have! but it seems that 
> defence contracts signed with the USA are no longer fit to wipe your 
> bottom on.
>
> Another 911? Of course British intelligence will know about it, but the 
> USA doesn't need British intelligence does it? Or Canadian, Australian...
>
> No man is an island. Nor is any country.
>
> Yer Grand Fart has a bit to learn.
>
> But he can always  run away to Russia, who it is alleged have all the 
> goods on him they need.

As I said, watching from the inside as my adopted country is falling
apart is heartbreaking.

And seeing how fast the Republican party has collapsed, is truly scary.

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