Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored

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Subject	Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored
Date	2025-02-13 22:05 +0100
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On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>    Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better,
>>    eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a
>>    bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed
>>    but WILL eventually arrive.
>
> So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and they
> don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is true the
> whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable.
>
> The problem I see is already starting -- turning them into weapons and
> letting them run autonomously. One of the 'hello world' applications is
> training a NN on a huge number of labeled photos of cats and dogs and the
> models perform very well.
>
> The metrics are sort of a truth table, with false negatives, false
> positives, and correct identification. It's a stochastic process so you're
> looking at 'good enough', maybe 97%. Say I hate dogs, set up a camera in
> the yard, and shoot all the dogs. A few dogs are going to slide and I'll
> kill a few cats.
>
> Now hand this to the military. The AI decides it sees a terrorist and a
> Reaper puts a Hellfire missile up his ass. You get a few school kids, but
> that's life.
>
> The Israelis may already be doing something like that or maybe they just
> randomly kill people, who knows?

Yes! As long as the % for innocents decreases, they'll jump on it. Of 
course the US and China are developing autonomoues "AI"-driven drones and 
rockets as we speak.

> Give AI enhanced facial recognition to the cops -- won't that be fun.
> Enter 'Minority Report'.

They did that in some country, and it always targeted immigrants. The AI 
was judged racist, and the project shut down. It was hilarious! =D

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Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-12 22:58 -0500
  Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-13 07:10 +0000
    Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-13 03:50 -0500
      Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-13 22:07 +0100
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            Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:46 +0000
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                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-15 11:36 +0100
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                Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-15 09:53 +0000
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          Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-14 11:34 +0000
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