Re: Installing on one machine, using in another..

From	Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com>
Organization	Deepwoods Software
Subject	Re: Installing on one machine, using in another..
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Date	2016-02-23 15:23 -0600

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At Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:34:56 +0000 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> 
> On 23/02/16 16:50, Stef wrote:
> > The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >
> >> On 22/02/16 18:09, Stef wrote:
> >>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> My Atom based (headless, 64bit) server (Intel graphics) is getting full
> >>>> and needs more disk and possibly a new case and power supply.
> >>>>
> >>>> the motherboard has only two SATA connectors, and no DVD at all - just
> >>>> two large disks.
> >>>
> >>> RAIDed?  Mirrored?  Striped?  Etc. or not?
> >>
> >> partially mirrored. Avaialability is not an issue, nightly backup in
> >> case of disk failure (had one already in 3 years) is.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Therefore it would be mightily convenient to install onto a new primary
> >>>> disk on another machine - that would be an Celeron (64 bit), with Nvidia
> >>>> graphics
> >>>>
> >>>> Would it actually be reasonable to build the machine on the second MB
> >>>> and then slide the disk into the first and expect it to boot?
> >>>
> >>> If all you want to do is copy/clone the old drives to the new ones, the
> >>> specs of the machine you're doing it on won't matter.  However, if you
> >>> intend to install the OS, etc., then it will make a big difference.
> >>
> >> Yep. Need a more modern OS than debian lenny...its been around a LONG time
> >
> > I thought you were running Mint.  No matter.  Have you considered just
> > doing an in situ (on the server) distribution upgrade?
> > Lenny->Wheezy->Jessie, and once done, transferring the system to the
> > new hard drives by whatever method is appropriate?
> 
> Yes, and rejected it.
> Its mor
> e work than isntalling Mint on a new machine testing it in parallel, and 
> then going live once properly tested. There's a lot of custom scripts 
> and some compiled stuff to sort as well.
> 
> I have been in IT too long to expect any major upgrade on a live machine 
> to actually work 'just like that'
> 
> >
> > If you do, please, please read the instructions and Release Notes for
> > each distro.  And don't skip a release, otherwise, you'll have a good
> > chance of breaking your system.
> 
> I womnt be oing it.
> >
> >> Cant even get security updates for that...
> >
> > FYI:  Stretch, the current Debian Testing, is due to be the new Stable
> > possibly this year.  At that point support for Wheezy will cease.
> > Support for Jessie will continue until the new Stable after
> > Stretch is released.
> >
> 
> Don't need debian at all. Desktop is mint, laptop is mint, might as well 
> run te server on it, and rip out the GUI.
> 
> >>>
> >>>> Would there be any foreseeable gotchas?
> >>>
> >>> Possibly.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, bearing in mind that this is the 21st century and its a private
> >>>> network, what is the simplest way of getting an X-window session on the
> >>>> server in a windows on this desktop?
> >>>
> >>> If I understand and a desktop set up is already installed/running on the
> >>> server, you just need to install the appropriate remote desktop
> >>> software on both systems.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No, the server has nop X currently, but post new install it would have.
> >
> > Disregard my above advice.  I misunderstood what you wanted to do.
> > After reading the rest of the this thread, you want to use X GUI apps on
> > system to administer your server.  Right?  This is possible.  There
> > are apps already "out there"  that do this, and the server doesn't
> > need to run X or any GUI. I can't make any recommendations. Never used
> > such apps. And it's been years since I even read about them..
> 
> tow possibilities are emerguing. VNC for a 'virtuylbox' type experience 
> or simply run the apps as X apps and redirect them to remotre windows on 
> the client machine.

The latter is 'lower impact': you don't need the 'full desktop', just the 
various random X11 apps.  VNC is somewhat overkill.

> 
> >
> >>
> >>> Do you have physical access to the server?  I'm assuming you do.
> >>
> >> I can kick it from here, yes ;-)
> >
> > Makes things easier.
> >
> >>>
> >>>> Lint Mint 17 in all cases.
> >
> > Why Mint?  Debian has the reputation of being "the" server distro due to
> > its philosophy of Stableness First.  And you already have it installed.
> > Just distribution upgrade to the latest version.  Will save a lot of
> > time and headaches.
> 
> Because I have it. know it, and the application is completely undemanding.
> 
> AND the last few releases have been 'live update from previous version' 
> and have WORKED.
> 
> >
> > Stef
> >
> 
> 

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  Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-02-22 17:09 +0000
    Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:25 +0000
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      Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-02-22 09:56 -0800
        Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-22 18:06 +0000
      Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2016-02-22 12:00 -0600
      Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-02-22 18:29 +0000
        Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-22 18:49 +0000
          Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-02-22 12:01 -0800
          Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-02-22 21:38 +0000
            Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-23 10:06 +0000
    Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2016-02-22 12:00 -0600
  Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2016-02-22 11:36 -0600
    Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:43 +0000
      Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Trenbidia <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2016-02-23 00:25 +0000
  Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-22 18:09 +0000
    Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-22 18:17 +0000
      Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-23 16:50 +0000
        Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-23 18:34 +0000
          Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2016-02-23 15:23 -0600
            Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Trenbidia <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2016-02-23 23:52 +0000
          Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-24 01:27 +0000
            Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2016-02-23 20:39 -0600
              Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-24 08:35 +0000
              Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-24 18:09 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-02-24 20:18 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-25 06:56 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "john" <z@z.z> - 2016-02-25 11:56 -0800
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-26 17:47 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-27 00:14 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-27 08:36 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Kara M'bola <maxupixu@in.val.it> - 2016-02-27 10:02 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-27 19:43 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-27 18:30 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-02-27 21:37 +0100
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-28 04:22 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-02-28 15:14 +0100
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-28 17:19 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-02-28 19:36 +0100
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-28 21:33 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-02-28 23:07 +0100
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another..  totally off topic now!! "john" <z@z.z> - 2016-02-29 09:36 -0800
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. totally off topic now!! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-02-29 23:52 +0100
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. totally off topic now!! Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-01 00:38 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-02-29 17:08 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-01 00:09 +0100
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Stef <not@this.address.com> - 2016-03-01 00:29 +0000
                Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-03-01 01:57 +0100
  Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2016-02-22 18:38 +0000
    Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-22 18:44 +0000
      Re: Installing on one machine, using in another.. Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2016-02-22 20:24 +0000

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