Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

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Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date	2024-12-07 23:12 +0100
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On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, Rich wrote:

>> Ohh...  but that is not "raw" in my book.  I do that myself on
>> opensuse and I very seldom use yast.  So basically, what you are
>> saying is that it works like...  "linux"?  ;)
>
> Yes.  Slackware is the nearest to just being Linux of all the distros
> (that install Linux, some of the FreeBSD's may be similar).  If your
> preference is to edit /etc/resolv.conf to adjust your default name
> server, and edit /etc/init.d to change the default bootup, and so
> forth, it is more what you may be looking for than the others (all of
> which add varing levels a "you are an idiot, here let me hold your hand
> via this custom GUI" system on top).

Sounds great! =)

>> Maybe I should add slackware back to the list then, since what you
>> are saying just sound exactly like how I like to manage my machines!
>> =D
>
> Tis free to download, and you can install it into a VM if you wish to
> 'test out' at first (and don't have a spare machine to devote to
> 'testout').
>
> It also is one of the few left that is systemd free.  And instead of
> the SYSV infinite field of symlinks for init, Slackware uses BSD style
> rc.d scripts (actual scripts you can edit).  The provenance of SYSV
> sysmlink fields means it also will support those if you want, but the
> default is actual scripts that execute other scripts.

Oh my... it just keeps getting better and better!! How come it hasn't gotten any
attention at all??

I've heard about devuan and antix, but how come none of those guys went to
slckware to escape their systemd problems?

>>> And for that one, the install script asks you for the details as
>>> part of the install, so if you give the correct data at that time
>>> (same data you'd poke into the Ubuntu GUI configurator) then you
>>> don't even need to edit /etc/resolv.conf.
>>>
>>> There's an old quote that came about from the net long ago:
>>>
>>> Learn Ubuntu and you learn Ubuntu, learn Slackware and you learn Linux.
>>
>> I'm happy I started as early with linux as I did.  I teach the config
>> file way to my students, and am furious when I learned that the
>> teacher who got the job after me, taught the students how to manage
>> linux with _only_ the GUI tools.  Revolting!  Also causing them to
>> miss out a lot about how the system actually works, and how it was
>> design to work.  =(
>
> And that teacher is turning out students, much like the MSCE students,
> who only "know Ubuntu" (assuming they used Ubuntu) and the "Ubuntu way"
> and if tossed into a "non Ubuntu" system, become lost, because they
> really did not learn how things worked behind the "lipstick on a pig
> GUI".

Yep, this is the sad truth. I, together with 2 colleagues, give a cloud course
that's after the linux course, and we do hard core terminal work in that course.
We've discovered that since they have a monkey as the linux teacher, we have to
start from scratch in that course, thus losing valuable time. =(

I will pray hard, that I manage to get back the linux course next autumn. That
way I can prepare them properly and teach them what the terminal, files,
scripting, and text files is all about! =)

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  Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-27 22:13 +0000
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                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 23:33 -0500
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                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 02:44 -0500
              Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-29 21:42 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-30 00:19 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-30 06:22 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 03:39 -0500
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-01 09:03 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 11:08 +0000
                Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-01 20:46 +0000
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