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Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

From	D <nospam@example.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
Date	2024-12-08 12:53 +0100
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, Robert Riches wrote:

> On 2024-12-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> I've heard about devuan and antix, but how come none of those guys went to
>> slckware to escape their systemd problems?
>
> I might not be one of "those guys", but this is my journey as a
> refugee from systemd:
>
> - Based on notes and potentially fallible memory from 2013, I had
>  been on Mageia 2.  IIRC, it was the next version of Mageia that
>  switched to systemd.  I use RAIDs for main storage.  My test VM
>  installed fine, but when I tried to boot the test VM via
>  systemd, it hung for several minutes and then booted into a
>  very broken state.  Some stuff (including filesystems) had
>  timed out and not booted, while other stuff (including
>  filesystems) had not.  The tools to decipher systemd's binary
>  journal (rather than plain-text logs) were not installed by
>  default.  The system was in "I've fallen and can't get up"
>  condition.  At that point, I decided I would be one of the last
>  people on the planet to be using something other than systemd
>  on my main machine(s).
>
> - I ran Debian 7 from late 2013 to mid-2018.  It was great, but
>  then Debian was overcome by the systemd virus, so my journey
>  continued.
>
> - I ran Slackware 14.2 from mid-2018 to late 2018.  Updates to
>  the kernel were a royal pain, because the tools to generate an
>  initrd with drivers for RAID are not even in IKEA-like state.
>  I got tired of having to troubleshoot the manual initrd
>  generation process on every kernel update.  Every time,
>  something else had gone wrong and needed to be figured out and
>  solved.  Fatigue set in.
>
> - In late 2018, I switched to Devuan ascii, then went to beowulf,
>  then chimaera, and now daedalus.
>
> Along the way, I think I tried a couple of other non-systemd
> distributions.  IIRC, one of them was too much like a toy, and
> another set up hardware in such a way that disks kept detaching
> and spamming system logs with messages about a disk going offline
> and being recovered, rinsing, and repeating endlessly.
>
> If Devuan continues to be viable, I'll probably stay here for as
> long as possible.  If/when Devuan becomes non-viable, I'll try to
> find a viable Linux distribution with a variant of BSD as
> fallback.
>
> How's that for a long answer to a short question?  :-)

Excellent! =) Thank you very much, very interesting to follow your 
journey! =)

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