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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: spreadsheet ergonomics |
| Date | 2017-04-04 04:45 +0000 |
| Organization | O.W.L. |
| Message-ID | <zb3ugoa00.aulu@rooftop.invalid> (permalink) |
| References | (8 earlier) <D507F81F.9C861%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <bajz8v94.ab8@rooftop.invalid> <D50809B9.9C89B%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <guc8892.a@rooftop.invalid> <D508606D.9C996%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 4/3/17, 7:30 PM, in article guc8892.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl" > <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote: > > ... >>>>>>>> Numbers -- updating a sheet with data from a completely separate file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, this whole thing is a work around to try to emulate what Numbers >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> easily... have multiple tables all on one sheet >>>>>> >>>>>> And the question is why are you doing that anyway when you can just use >>>>>> different sections of one sheet for the work? >>>>> >>>>> Why do it that way when you are not limited to it? Why not have each >>>>> logical >>>>> section be its own table? >>>> >>>> Because it doesn't need to be separated. >>> >>> Need. No. But why not have the logical separations be separate visually and >>> logically? >> >> You haven't shown any benefit to that. > > Sure I have... it allows you to group logically separate concepts into > separate tables on the same sheet, it allows you to have data where columns > do not line up, etc. I focused on this in the video on the magic spell > calculation. > And I do all of that using separate windows, possibly embedded into a single window. > On the other side, I do not believe you have offered any benefits to denying > such choice. I don't deny such choice. I provide it. > Keep in mind nothing in Numbers forces you to do it this way. > >> I can freeze ranges and view distant cells, or I can jump to a distant table >> with >> >> g "table3" >> >> That jump could also be tied to a function key, so that hitting f3 would >> take me there. >> >> >>> What is the benefit to combining them? And what about different >>> widths? I talk about that some here: >>> >>> <https://youtu.be/VzVKlou6byU> > > Here is the video I spoke of which talks about some of the benefits you say > I have not shown. > Mine does all of that. >>>>> Makes it easier to update and maintain and move >>>>> things around anyway... and table rows from one table do not effect the >>>>> width of other data, etc. >>>> >>>> Who cares about that? >>> >>> People who use spreadsheets generally care about them being easier to update >>> and main and move things around. >>> >>>> About 1/2 of 1 percent of the population. Your way is like have a 200 acre >>>> farm and never leaving the front porch. >>> >>> What? And you can do it all in one table if you want... but, again, why >>> would you want to be limited to that? >> >> I can live with a 22-million cell limit. > > I have not suggested the point of multiple tables in one sheet has anything > to do with bypassing a limit of cells per table. > You have implied that you want everything visible at a glance. That limits your cell use to however many cells can appear in the window, whether that's a sheet or a group of tables arranged in the window. So why even have more than about 1000 cells in a sheet if you're never going to use them? All that capacity is going to waste with your appoach. >>> ... >>>>> It is running a spreadsheet. And it is from a known, trusted source. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I thought you stipulated an untrusted source. You did specify that you did >>>> not really know what the file did. So would you run a Numbers spreadsheet >>>> from an untrusted source? >>> >>> Run the file? You mean open it in Numbers. Sure. The risk is very tiny. >>> Compare that to the risk of someone following your suggestions to merely >>> rename an open file... if they do not know what that are doing they could >>> easily and repeatedly lose data. >> >> The risk is huge. It is closed-source. > > What harm would you expect me to have run into. Anyone? By all means point > to it. > Malware. Just one example: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205373 <quote> Keynote, Pages, and Numbers Available for: OS X Yosemite v10.10.4 or later, iOS 8.4 or later Impact: Opening a maliciously crafted document may lead to unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution </quote> > With YOUR suggestion, with an open source tool, we saw the hazard: an > unknowing person could have lost data. Twice. > We saw you move the goalposts beyond the specifications.
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