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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: spreadsheet ergonomics
Date 2017-04-05 01:49 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
Message-ID <kzgab83.abyh3@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
References (8 earlier) <D5095680.9CC2D%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <a90bq3gjuu3.d3@rooftop.invalid> <D50963FC.9CC40%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <av9z00.bhddi@rooftop.invalid> <D5099182.9CC91%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>

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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/4/17, 3:42 PM, in article av9z00.bhddi@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Will play with it later... thanks. Looking at it just briefly, though, I
>>>>> see
>>>>> where it is six files (compressed) and for most users would just lead to
>>>>> confusion. I assume I need change permissions on startem, startemx, and
>>>>> ud... and then run startem?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The perms should already show as executable.
>>>> 
>>> Ah. In some ways that is good... but also a security risk.
>> 
>> Nope.  It does not auto-execute, and the source is there
>> for you to peruse in advance of running it.
> 
> That does not eliminate security risks. But we hear time and time again,
> with reason, how it is good to have it where you need to set permissions to
> run a "random" program. But it turns out you do not have to do that.
> 
> On macOS, for what it is worth, it warns you that this is the first time you
> are opening the file and has you jump through hoops... even tells you the
> source (what program you got it from, etc.).
> 
> Interesting Linux does not offer such protections. I would have thought it
> would.
>

That's for downloaded files.  The file in question is wrapped in a tarball.
If the tarball had its execute bit set, that would be zero'd.

Here is the result of a browser download of a file whose execute bit was set:

root@lowtide:/var/www# ls -l wave
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6688 Apr  4 21:47 wave
root@lowtide:/var/www#

anon@lowtide:~$ ls -l Downloads/wave
-rw-r--r-- 1 anon anon 6688 Apr  4 21:47 Downloads/wave
anon@lowtide:~$ 


 
>> Unlike with Numbers.  Who knows what that Numbers does behind the scenes.  You
>> choose to trust a corporation that refuses to cooperate with law enforcement.
> 
> So you have no concern running scripts from any source.
> 

I never said that.  But you did say that Apple is a trusted source, and that
there is no danger in opening a Numbers file from someone you don't know,
and even challenged everyone here to show you the danger -- which I did with
a link to apple.com where they discuss it.

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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 00:14 +0000
  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 17:33 -0700
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 01:46 +0000
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 19:24 -0700
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 04:53 +0000
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:20 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 19:40 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:17 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 21:24 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:32 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 19:24 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:35 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 04:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 21:31 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 05:01 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 08:51 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 13:56 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 21:12 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 14:53 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 22:42 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:08 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 01:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:57 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 02:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 19:46 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 20:51 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 04:03 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:30 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:02 -0700
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:53 -0700
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 19:38 +0000
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 13:01 -0700
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 20:54 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:16 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:30 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:26 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 04:45 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 09:29 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 20:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 14:20 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 22:38 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:05 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 01:14 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:41 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 02:05 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 19:27 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 03:59 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 21:32 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 05:23 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:30 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 20:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:01 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 00:08 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:23 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:46 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:54 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 02:01 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:08 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2017-04-06 05:51 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 14:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 20:30 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 04:14 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 21:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 05:08 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:23 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:06 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 14:57 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 22:05 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:25 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 22:52 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 16:15 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 00:12 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:14 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:34 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:48 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:54 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:03 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-05 11:55 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 09:03 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 21:17 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 15:15 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 01:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 18:55 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 02:00 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:04 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-04-06 08:48 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-05 22:01 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-05 22:17 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 12:38 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-06 10:46 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 02:44 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-06 09:51 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-06 14:26 +0000

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