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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

From owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: spreadsheet ergonomics
Date 2017-04-02 04:45 +0000
Organization O.W.L.
Message-ID <abc90z8.3ahie@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/1/17, 2:23 AM, in article ab9b03.gawe@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
> ...
>>>> Nothing bizarre about it at all.  It's not much different from your
>>>> embedded tables, which are also in frames (or whatever Apple calls
>>>> the containers).
>>>> 
>>>> https://vid.me/Al6B
>>> 
>>> A cool, weird, and somewhat bizarre work around.
>> 
>> What is weird or bizarre about it?
> 
> Hint: show the whole process... how you embedded the windows,


xterm -into ...

> how you tied
> them together


In the main sheet:

let <cell> = @ston(@ext("sc -W<range> <file> 2>/dev/null",0))

along with:

1-sec looping of an  update script with
xdotool type --window <windowid> "@" 


> , etc. Hey, let us each show that with four tables, all tied
> together and having simple equations flow through them.
> 
> For consistency sake and to make things easy:
> 
> Table 1: numbers 1-20
> Table 2: add 3 to each number
> Table 3: multiple the results by 3
> Table 4: subtract 9 from each number
> 
> Then have a graph showing the data from table 4.
> 

https://vid.me/FU0X

...

>>> Oh, Apple calls them "tables"... because they are, you know, tables. :)
>> 
>> The table is in a container.
> 
> Of course... and they are in windows which are also containers (and they are
> in sheets and tabs, both of which are containers).
>  

Then why did you say "Apple calls them 'tables' because they
are tables" in response to my saying that "the tables are are
also in frames (or whatever Apple calls them)"?

...

>>>> Printed docs are static anyway, so it doesn't matter how you get to
>>>> the result.  Documents shared for editing can just share the whole
>>>> process if necessary.
>>> 
>>> As opposed to sharing a file
>> 
>> A tarball is a file.
> 
> Which contains a bunch of files (at least in this case) and they are not in
> any way treated as a single file once they are in a usable format.
>  

The files might be accessed through a single script, which might
be tied to a hotkey or launcher.

Documents do not need to be in single files.  Are not docx
files themselves just compressed archives of multiple files?


>>> or even sharing it online
>> 
>> Ever heard of X11 forwarding?  It works great.
> 
> LOL! I am speaking of just letting people easily access and even edit the
> stuff online.


X11 forwarding lets people easily access and edit stuff remotely.

...

>>>>> Again, though, nothing wrong with sc and while Numbers does plenty it does
>>>>> not, sc is a MUCH more powerful tool for "real" number crunching (as is
>>>>> even
>>>>> Excel).
>>>> 
>>>> Why do you say that?
>>> 
>>> Numbers does not handle very large tables, lacks some functions and
>>> formatting, does not allow to lock specific ranges or cells as Excel does
>>> (do not know if sc does that but I would not be surprised if it did not),
>> 
>> It does.
> 
> With password protection? If so that is news to me (though I am sure there
> is a LOT it can do which I am unaware of... remember, have not touched it
> since the '90s and even then only briefly).
>

It offers cell and range locking, but not password protection.
I believe that password protection of documents is typically implemented
weakly anyway.  Besides, I don't see the benefit in password-protecting
the locking of cell ranges anyway, unless you just want to protect a
particular copy of a document, which can be done with system perms.
 

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  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-31 09:20 -0500
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-31 10:07 -0500
  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-31 12:23 -0700
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-03-31 23:19 +0000
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-31 19:08 -0700
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-01 05:22 +0000
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-31 22:50 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-01 09:23 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-01 09:50 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 04:45 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-01 23:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 08:58 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 08:59 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 00:14 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 17:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 01:46 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 19:24 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 04:53 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:20 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 19:40 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:17 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 21:24 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:32 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 19:24 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:35 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 04:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 21:31 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 05:01 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:53 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 19:38 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 13:01 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 20:54 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:16 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:26 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 04:45 +0000
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-01 11:47 -0400
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-01 11:21 -0500
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-02 10:44 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-02 15:02 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 13:35 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-02 15:39 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 13:52 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 07:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-04-02 22:42 +0100
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-02 21:57 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 15:46 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-02 23:00 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 16:10 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-04-03 01:24 +0200
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics flatfish+++ <flatfish@cutey.com> - 2017-04-02 19:31 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 16:40 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-04-03 09:47 +0200
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:57 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 11:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 16:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-02 19:49 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 18:00 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-02 21:36 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 19:45 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 08:09 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 11:05 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:08 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-03 16:14 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:18 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:29 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:09 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:14 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:24 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-03 19:36 -0400
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:26 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:06 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:17 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-03 23:07 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 18:10 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-03 21:00 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 19:06 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 08:02 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 11:48 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:59 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:09 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:19 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-03 19:48 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-03 21:02 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-03 23:11 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:37 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-01 09:56 -0700
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 10:12 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 05:01 +0000
  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-04-01 04:53 -0400
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-01 08:30 -0500
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 05:00 +0000
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-04-02 09:01 -0400
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 20:41 +0000
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 13:57 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-02 21:10 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 14:22 -0700

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