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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: spreadsheet ergonomics
Date	2017-04-03 20:54 +0000
Organization	O.W.L.
Message-ID	<bajz8v94.ab8@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/3/17, 12:38 PM, in article hjguc8892a.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/2/17, 9:12 PM, in article z9b003gaew.hy@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...
>>>> 
>> now. 
> 
> And then try to type between the updates? And then the updates are not
> happening in apparent real time, right?
> 
> I admit I could be wrong about that... if so I would love to see it.
> 
> But all of this setting refresh rates and more is showing what I have been
> talking about -- it is a kludge to try to do what you can do trivially with
> other tools (as shown in this video I already posted for you):
> 
>     <https://youtu.be/V2bRLDuaVOk>
> 
> For whatever reason I clicked off of the cells to "finalize" them in the
> video. Can also hit enter or tab (and other options). No need to even leave
> the table. 
> 

What does "finalize" mean?  Clarify what all keystrokes or mouse clicks
are necessary for all linked tables to update.


> And here is that spreadsheet where you can do what I show right now:
> 
> <https://www.icloud.com/numbers/040IoTN2lqc4MhnA0sNpm6zpg#Kids_RPG_Rules_-_M
> agic_System> OR <https://goo.gl/vOFudM>
> 

That might be a virus for all I know.


>>>> Numbers -- updating a sheet with data from a completely separate file.
>>> 
>>> Well, this whole thing is a work around to try to emulate what Numbers does
>>> easily... have multiple tables all on one sheet
>> 
>> And the question is why are you doing that anyway when you can just use
>> different sections of one sheet for the work?
> 
> Why do it that way when you are not limited to it? Why not have each logical
> section be its own table?

Because it doesn't need to be separated.


> Makes it easier to update and maintain and move
> things around anyway... and table rows from one table do not effect the
> width of other data, etc.
>

Who cares about that?  About 1/2 of 1 percent of the population.
Your way is like have a 200 acre farm and never leaving the front
porch.


>>> Think of it this way, if you were sent a file by someone and did not really
>>> know what it did, would YOU be willing to change its permissions and run it?
>>> 
>>> I suspect not... at least not anywhere other than in a safe environment
>>> where if it wiped out the machine (or VM) it would not matter to you.
>> 
>> Would you use that same security protocol with a Numbers file?
> 
> I would not change its permissions! No need.

So leave perms at 644 and source it.

> So given that I would not have
> to run it in a safe environment -- it is merely a file and not a program,
> and there are no macro issues that I know of (as there are with MS Office).
> 
>> At least this is open-source (even the spreadsheet files themselves are
>> open-source)  and you can examine exactly what it does.  Who knows what
>> a Numbers file is doing, or even what Numbers is doing, for that matter.
> 
> It is running a spreadsheet. And it is from a known, trusted source.
>

I thought you stipulated an untrusted source.  You did specify that you did
not really know what the file did.  So would you run a Numbers spreadsheet
from an untrusted source?

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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-01 05:22 +0000
  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-03-31 22:50 -0700
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-01 09:23 +0000
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-01 09:50 -0700
        Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 04:45 +0000
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-01 23:34 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 08:58 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 08:59 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 00:14 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 17:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 01:46 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 19:24 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 04:53 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:20 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 19:40 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:17 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 21:24 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:32 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 19:24 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:35 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 04:15 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 21:31 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 05:01 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 08:51 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 21:12 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 14:53 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 22:42 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:08 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 01:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:57 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 02:15 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 04:03 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 10:53 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 19:38 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 13:01 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-03 20:54 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:16 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:30 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:26 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 04:45 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 09:29 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 20:49 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 14:20 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:05 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 01:14 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 18:41 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 02:05 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 21:32 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 05:23 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:30 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 21:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-05 05:08 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:23 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-05 11:55 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 09:03 -0700
  Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-01 11:47 -0400
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-01 11:21 -0500
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-02 10:44 -0400
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              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 13:52 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 07:49 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-04-02 22:42 +0100
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-02 21:57 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 15:46 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-02 23:00 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 16:10 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 16:40 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-04-03 09:47 +0200
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics flatfish+++ <flatfish@cutey.com> - 2017-04-03 12:17 -0400
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 16:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-02 19:49 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 18:00 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-02 21:36 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-02 19:45 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 08:09 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-03 10:43 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 11:05 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:08 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:18 -0700
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:33 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:09 +0000
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                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:24 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 18:37 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-04 06:28 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 09:03 -0700
                Snit digest 387 / 2017-04-05 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-05 08:21 +0000
                Re: Snit digest 387 / 2017-04-05 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:35 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-03 19:36 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-04 06:29 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 09:30 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-04 12:06 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 10:45 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-05 07:57 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 08:59 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 18:00 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 14:26 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:39 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:06 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:17 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Joe <Negrojoe@cottonpickers.edu> - 2017-04-03 23:07 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 18:10 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-03 21:00 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 19:06 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 08:02 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 11:48 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 21:59 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 15:09 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2017-04-03 22:19 +0000
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-04 07:20 -0500
          Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-03 19:48 -0400
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-03 21:02 -0500
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-04 10:28 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-04-04 16:50 +0200
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-04 10:01 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-04 11:37 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-04-04 11:56 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 08:56 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-04 11:01 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-04-04 17:11 +0100
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 09:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-04 12:09 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 10:19 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2017-04-04 23:11 +0100
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 15:19 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-04-05 00:34 +0200
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-04-04 18:40 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-05 06:24 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Silver-Tongued Heel <sl@im.er> - 2017-04-05 08:15 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 09:29 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 09:29 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 10:16 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-04 22:03 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 19:34 -0700
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2017-04-04 22:48 -0500
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-04 20:53 -0700
            Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-04 02:49 +0000
              Re: spreadsheet ergonomics DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-03 23:11 -0400
                Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-03 20:37 -0700
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-01 09:56 -0700
      Re: spreadsheet ergonomics Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 10:12 -0700
    Re: spreadsheet ergonomics owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-02 05:01 +0000

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