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Re: spreadsheet ergonomics

From	owl <owl@rooftop.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: spreadsheet ergonomics
Date	2017-04-04 02:30 +0000
Organization	O.W.L.
Message-ID	<guc8892.a@rooftop.invalid> (permalink)
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Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 4/3/17, 1:54 PM, in article bajz8v94.ab8@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/3/17, 12:38 PM, in article hjguc8892a.a@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/2/17, 9:12 PM, in article z9b003gaew.hy@rooftop.invalid, "owl"
>>>>> <owl@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 
>>>> now. 
>>> 
>>> And then try to type between the updates? And then the updates are not
>>> happening in apparent real time, right?
>>> 
>>> I admit I could be wrong about that... if so I would love to see it.
>>> 
>>> But all of this setting refresh rates and more is showing what I have been
>>> talking about -- it is a kludge to try to do what you can do trivially with
>>> other tools (as shown in this video I already posted for you):
>>> 
>>>     <https://youtu.be/V2bRLDuaVOk>
>>> 
>>> For whatever reason I clicked off of the cells to "finalize" them in the
>>> video. Can also hit enter or tab (and other options). No need to even leave
>>> the table. 
>> 
>> What does "finalize" mean?  Clarify what all keystrokes or mouse clicks
>> are necessary for all linked tables to update.
> 
> You type the number but it is not "accepted" until you leave the cell or
> otherwise tell the program you are done altering it.
>  
>>> And here is that spreadsheet where you can do what I show right now:
>>> 
>>> <https://www.icloud.com/numbers/040IoTN2lqc4MhnA0sNpm6zpg#Kids_RPG_Rules_-_M
>>> agic_System> OR <https://goo.gl/vOFudM>
>> 
>> That might be a virus for all I know.
> 
> I understand: you are on Linux and are fearful of unknown websites. :)
> 
> Seriously, even if it was you would be immune... and it is not from an
> unknown source, or untested.
> 
>>>>>> Numbers -- updating a sheet with data from a completely separate file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, this whole thing is a work around to try to emulate what Numbers does
>>>>> easily... have multiple tables all on one sheet
>>>> 
>>>> And the question is why are you doing that anyway when you can just use
>>>> different sections of one sheet for the work?
>>> 
>>> Why do it that way when you are not limited to it? Why not have each logical
>>> section be its own table?
>> 
>> Because it doesn't need to be separated.
> 
> Need. No. But why not have the logical separations be separate visually and
> logically?

You haven't shown any benefit to that. I can freeze ranges and view
distant cells, or I can jump to a distant table with

g "table3"

That jump could also be tied to a function key, so that hitting f3 would
take me there.


> What is the benefit to combining them? And what about different
> widths? I talk about that some here:
> 
>     <https://youtu.be/VzVKlou6byU>
> 
>>> Makes it easier to update and maintain and move
>>> things around anyway... and table rows from one table do not effect the
>>> width of other data, etc.
>> 
>> Who cares about that?
> 
> People who use spreadsheets generally care about them being easier to update
> and main and move things around.
> 
>> About 1/2 of 1 percent of the population. Your way is like have a 200 acre
>> farm and never leaving the front porch.
> 
> What? And you can do it all in one table if you want... but, again, why
> would you want to be limited to that?
> 

I can live with a 22-million cell limit.

> ... 
>>> It is running a spreadsheet. And it is from a known, trusted source.
>>> 
>> 
>> I thought you stipulated an untrusted source.  You did specify that you did
>> not really know what the file did.  So would you run a Numbers spreadsheet
>> from an untrusted source?
> 
> Run the file? You mean open it in Numbers. Sure. The risk is very tiny.
> Compare that to the risk of someone following your suggestions to merely
> rename an open file... if they do not know what that are doing they could
> easily and repeatedly lose data.
> 

The risk is huge.  It is closed-source.

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