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On 11-09-21 11:41 PM, EricF wrote:
> In article <4e7a8166$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 9/21/2011 12:38 AM, EricF wrote:
>>> In article<4e77f29e$0$311$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
[ SNIP ]

>>
>>> I do think Spring is nice but it doesn't try to provide the standards (JEE).
>>> When it first came out, it was a lot easier to use than much of the JEE
>> stack.
>>> These days JEE has been simplified.
>>
>> But to me it is difficult to see why go with a non-standard
>> solution exists when a standard solution exists that does the
>> same.
>>
>> Arne
>>
>>
> Arne, I certainly agree with your comment in general. Personally I like Java 
> and many parts of JEE, but I'm not sure how "standard" Oracle solutions are.

Pretty standard now. :-) They own Glassfish, for example.

Seriously, Oracle's been as standard as anyone else in the J2EE/Java EE
world, in my experience, for quite some time.

> There are several JEE servers so there are a few options - Websphere, 
> Weblogic, JBoss, Glassfish, ... I must be missing 1 or 2. But have you ever 
> ported an EJB from 1 to the other? I have. Standard solutions just aren't that 
> standard anymore.

But with Java EE the progression has absolutely been from less
standardization to more standardization. This has gone hand in hand with
the rationalization/simplification of specifications.

It's not been that long since EJBs meant ejb-jar.xml, and the server's
own ejb-jar.xml companion configuration file, and doing explicit JNDI
lookup. All of that - especially the JNDI - is what was exposing
non-standardization. Not only are less things non-standard now, but the
beauty of API specifications movement in the Java EE space has been that
a lot of the non-standard bits have been hidden. Dependency injection
has a lot to do with that.

> The LAMP stack, JEE, Spring are all different ways to do similar things. 
> Options are nice.
> 
> Eric

LAMP absolutely. Or write an HTTP server using node.js. Or operate in
the ASP.NET MVC ecosystem. Options are essential.

But Spring was only an option - a credible, useful option - for a brief
window back when, during some period of J2EE 1.2-1.4. Recall that Spring
emerged during J2EE 1.3, and really only matured during J2EE 1.4. *All*
Spring 2.x releases happened after Java EE 5 was released. Basically
Java EE 5 closed the lid on Spring, and Java EE 6 has hammered in the nails.

My argument now is, if you're using Spring, most of the time there is a
standard non-Spring way to do the same thing.

AHS

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