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In article <4e7bbb12$0$283$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>On 9/21/2011 10:41 PM, EricF wrote:
>> In article<4e7a8166$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=<arne@vajhoej.dk>  wrote:
>>> On 9/21/2011 12:38 AM, EricF wrote:
>>>> In article<4e77f29e$0$311$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
>>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=<arne@vajhoej.dk>   wrote:
>>>>> On 9/18/2011 6:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner wrote:
>>>>>> Den 08.09.2011 23:41, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>>>>>>> On 9/8/2011 1:53 PM, nroberts wrote:
>>>>>>>> If higher ups decided that I had to work with Tomcat...no JBoss or
>>>>>>>> glassfish or anything...what limitations am I looking at?  What parts
>>>>>>>> of Java EE become unavailable to me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tomcat is a web container only (Java EE Web Profile in
>>>>>>> Java EE 6 terminology).
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> You don't have EJB, JCA, JTA, JMS etc..
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using the Spring Framework ( http://www.springsource.org/ ), one gets
>>>>>> most of the above, except EJB, I guess. Add Hybernate and you're set.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Spring has JCA.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Spring provides JTA or JMS - it just allows to
>>>>> interface other providers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is Hibernate not Hybernate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spring really does not provide much of the standards.
>>>
>>>> I do think Spring is nice but it doesn't try to provide the standards
> (JEE).
>>>> When it first came out, it was a lot easier to use than much of the JEE
>>> stack.
>>>> These days JEE has been simplified.
>>>
>>> But to me it is difficult to see why go with a non-standard
>>> solution exists when a standard solution exists that does the
>>> same.
>>>
>> Arne, I certainly agree with your comment in general. Personally I like Java
>> and many parts of JEE, but I'm not sure how "standard" Oracle solutions are.
>> There are several JEE servers so there are a few options - Websphere,
>> Weblogic, JBoss, Glassfish, ... I must be missing 1 or 2. But have you ever
>> ported an EJB from 1 to the other? I have. Standard solutions just aren't
> that
>> standard anymore.
>
>Java EE is a standard. WAS, WL, JBoss etc. implements that standard. 
>Spring is a product that does not implement a standard.
>
>If you have had to change anything other than server specific deployment
>descriptors when moving between servers I will suspect the problem
>is not in the standard but in the people in front of the keyboard.
>
>Arne
>

I was the people in front of the keyboard. The differences were mostly JNDI 
related, specifying the datasource, etc. Not rocket science but painful if you 
have to support an application on several app servers. There were some subtle 
differences between Weblogic's JPA and Hibernate in JBoss. I wish I could 
remember what they were. Injection made the process much easier, but it can't 
be used everywhere.

Eric

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Re: Java EE on tomcat? Torsten Kirschner <torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> - 2011-09-19 00:30 +0200
  Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-18 20:44 -0300
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? Torsten Kirschner <torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> - 2011-09-20 00:20 +0200
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-20 05:50 -0300
        Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 08:45 -0700
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:19 -0700
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:31 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-21 17:37 -0300
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:29 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 10:27 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 13:30 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:40 -0400
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:35 -0400
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 10:23 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 13:38 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 21:15 -0400
  Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-19 21:55 -0400
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-21 04:38 +0000
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:29 -0400
        Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-22 02:41 +0000
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-22 06:08 -0300
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 21:18 -0400
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 08:39 -0700
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-22 22:58 +0200
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 18:47 -0400
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-24 04:45 +0000

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