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Re: Java EE on tomcat?

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On 9/8/2011 2:22 PM, Lew wrote:
> On Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:53:18 AM UTC-7, nroberts wrote:
>> If higher ups decided that I had to work with Tomcat...no JBoss or
>> glassfish or anything...what limitations am I looking at?  What parts
>> of Java EE become unavailable to me?

> Who are these "higher ups" and what makes them think they're
> qualified to make technology decisions?

Most likely more qualified than OP.

> That said, most systems run better on Tomcat, or better yet on Apache
> Web Server + Tomcat, anyway.  EJBs are a pain in the butt most of the
> time, and queues have specialized use cases you might not even have.

Unless one is allergic to XML config files and/or annotations, then
EJB's should not really bother anyone.

> Configuration differs.  Most application servers like JBoss and
> Glassfish work through their own management consoles (web apps in
> their own right).  With Tomcat you configure your DBMS connections
> through the server.xml and web.xml files.  The Tomcat docs explain it
> well.

JBoss connection pools are defined in deployable files.

> What are the decision factors in the choice between Tomcat and a more
> robust app server?  Even if you aren't the decision maker you should
> have insight into the balance sheet in that choice.  If they make a
> bad decision and you haven't done your fiduciary duty, then it's
> *your* fault.
>
> Whichever way you go, push for the latest stable version of the app
> server or Tomcat, and for Java 6 or 7 as the base language.  Push
> hard.  There's no valid reason to go with Java 5 or J2EE in the
> platform, given backward compatibility and the absence of license
> fees.  Only development and maintenance costs should weigh into that
> decision, and use of outdated and obsolete tools affects those rather
> severely.

In this case where thy have decided to switch from JBoss to Tomcat
the only sensible thing is to pick a new Tomcat and a new Java.

But there are good reasons why stuff sometimes stay on old stuff - it
can be very costly to lift the app and do a full retest.

Future decreases in development cost is a soft argument. It sounds good,
but I doubt that many teams would commit to a significant reduction in
hours/task-size due to a platform lift.

Arne

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Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 10:53 -0700
  Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 11:22 -0700
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-08 12:08 -0700
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-08 17:48 -0400
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-08 17:56 -0400
  Re: Java EE on tomcat? markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-08 12:36 -0700
  Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-08 17:41 -0400
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? Torsten Kirschner <torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> - 2011-09-19 00:30 +0200
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-18 20:44 -0300
        Re: Java EE on tomcat? Torsten Kirschner <torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> - 2011-09-20 00:20 +0200
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-20 05:50 -0300
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 08:45 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:19 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:31 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-21 17:37 -0300
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:29 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 10:27 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 13:30 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:40 -0400
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:35 -0400
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 10:23 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 13:38 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 21:15 -0400
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-19 21:55 -0400
        Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-21 04:38 +0000
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:29 -0400
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-22 02:41 +0000
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              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 08:39 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-22 22:58 +0200
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