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Re: Java EE on tomcat?

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On 9/21/2011 10:41 PM, EricF wrote:
> In article<4e7a8166$0$281$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=<arne@vajhoej.dk>  wrote:
>> On 9/21/2011 12:38 AM, EricF wrote:
>>> In article<4e77f29e$0$311$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
>> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=<arne@vajhoej.dk>   wrote:
>>>> On 9/18/2011 6:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner wrote:
>>>>> Den 08.09.2011 23:41, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>>>>>> On 9/8/2011 1:53 PM, nroberts wrote:
>>>>>>> If higher ups decided that I had to work with Tomcat...no JBoss or
>>>>>>> glassfish or anything...what limitations am I looking at?  What parts
>>>>>>> of Java EE become unavailable to me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomcat is a web container only (Java EE Web Profile in
>>>>>> Java EE 6 terminology).
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> You don't have EJB, JCA, JTA, JMS etc..
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Using the Spring Framework ( http://www.springsource.org/ ), one gets
>>>>> most of the above, except EJB, I guess. Add Hybernate and you're set.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Spring has JCA.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Spring provides JTA or JMS - it just allows to
>>>> interface other providers.
>>>>
>>>> It is Hibernate not Hybernate.
>>>>
>>>> Spring really does not provide much of the standards.
>>
>>> I do think Spring is nice but it doesn't try to provide the standards (JEE).
>>> When it first came out, it was a lot easier to use than much of the JEE
>> stack.
>>> These days JEE has been simplified.
>>
>> But to me it is difficult to see why go with a non-standard
>> solution exists when a standard solution exists that does the
>> same.
>>
> Arne, I certainly agree with your comment in general. Personally I like Java
> and many parts of JEE, but I'm not sure how "standard" Oracle solutions are.
> There are several JEE servers so there are a few options - Websphere,
> Weblogic, JBoss, Glassfish, ... I must be missing 1 or 2. But have you ever
> ported an EJB from 1 to the other? I have. Standard solutions just aren't that
> standard anymore.

Java EE is a standard. WAS, WL, JBoss etc. implements that standard. 
Spring is a product that does not implement a standard.

If you have had to change anything other than server specific deployment
descriptors when moving between servers I will suspect the problem
is not in the standard but in the people in front of the keyboard.

Arne

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Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-08 17:41 -0400
  Re: Java EE on tomcat? Torsten Kirschner <torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> - 2011-09-19 00:30 +0200
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-18 20:44 -0300
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? Torsten Kirschner <torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> - 2011-09-20 00:20 +0200
        Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-20 05:50 -0300
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 08:45 -0700
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:19 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:31 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-21 17:37 -0300
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 11:29 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 10:27 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 13:30 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:40 -0400
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:35 -0400
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 10:23 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 13:38 -0700
                Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 21:15 -0400
    Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-19 21:55 -0400
      Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-21 04:38 +0000
        Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-21 20:29 -0400
          Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-22 02:41 +0000
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-09-22 06:08 -0300
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 21:18 -0400
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-22 08:39 -0700
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-22 22:58 +0200
            Re: Java EE on tomcat? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-09-22 18:47 -0400
              Re: Java EE on tomcat? eric@invalid.com (EricF) - 2011-09-24 04:45 +0000

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