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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! |
| Date | 2018-11-12 12:53 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <psbt3b$ga6$2@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 5:44:49 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>>>> you a little? >>>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>> the net >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> please note >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>> >>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>> >>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>> probably >>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>> but not >>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>> ============== >>>>> >>>>> I told you parrot >>>>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>>>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>>>> but >>>>> the fact is that prcticslly >>>>> GPs is using a thick net of >>>>> >>>>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >>>> >>>>> >>>>> AMD WHY SO?? >>>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >>>> >>>> It s factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >>>> spacetime for several reasons. >>>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. >>> >>> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of >>> space got to do anything with >>> curved space OR CUVED SPACE >>> >>> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! >> >> Again, practicality and good enough have nothing to do with validity of >> science. >> >>> >>> ==> > >>>> 2. The line of sight >>> --- >>> I said 'line of site' >>> >>> only to indicate that >>> that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed >>> to keep contact !!! >>> and as anyone know >>> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! >> >> But they DONT. Thats the point. >> >>> THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY >>> AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION >>> (if IS ) >>> LISTEN CAREFLLY >>> >>> EM VAVES HAVE MASS >>> indeed a very small tiny mass >>> >>> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW >>> HAS A BIG MASS >>> SO] >>> IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN >>> MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! >>> indeed a very small interaction >>> >>> not because of f en curved space !! >>> as well as >>> Edington at his time >>> could not know that >>> EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! >>> not relativistic mass >>> and not schmelativistic mass !!! >>> >>> -------------------------------------- >>> >>> is relevant between ground and satellite is >>>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >>>> negligible. >>> ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves >>> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! >>> ============== >>> >>> >>>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesn t matter. Remember the radius of >>>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >>>> billion feet. >>> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space >>> as much as you like >>> >>> (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion >>> any figure you will say >> >> Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. >> >>> playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs >>> >>> =GPS >>> -does not use f en curved space >> >> Yes it does. Its in the documented design. >> >>> NASSA as well does not use it >>> no one will ever use it >>> >>> only idiots use it >>> in their imagination >>> -- >>> but the bad point of it >>> preventing >>> real advance !!!! >>> and wasting >>> precious human resources !!! >>> >>> ============== >>>>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! >>> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> ----------------- >>> indeed the only right thing about yourself >>> not your fault >>> you was born --A PARROT >>> =================the real nice at night dream >>> is you and your damaging incurable clan >>> of f en curved space >>> that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! >>> =================TIA >>> Y.P >>> ============> > ============================DEAR Boddy > please tell us about a physical entity > > THAT DOES NOT HAVE MASS (beside your f en curved space )&&..!! Sure. A magnetic field 100 million miles from the nearest mass. > > =============TIA > Y.P > =================== > > > > > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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