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Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!
Date 2018-11-12 03:44 +0000
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<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> There  is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that does not to say that
>>>>>>>> I AM  not A GREAT   ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !!
>>>>>>>> FOR
>>>>>>>> his 
>>>>>>>> E=mc^2
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings 
>>>>>>>> and   his   SR!!
>>>>>>>> that  is as well right !!!! 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but
>>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human  being 
>>>>>>>> not an Angle from  heaven
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est''  (spell ??in  Roman 
>>>>>>>> ====== 
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' 
>>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing
>>>>>>>> along more than 100  years     !! 
>>>>>>>> by preventing  / ''screening''   some
>>>>>>>> other  real 
>>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> not to speak about  PRACTICAL USES
>>>>>>>> even  NASSA by its interstellar  projects 
>>>>>>>> (to send a human  being to  Mars!!!
>>>>>>>> does no use it!!
>>>>>>>> except 
>>>>>>>> the   ordinary  Newtonian physics !!
>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that
>>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass
>>>>>> you a little?
>>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin   Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> 
>>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin
>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>>>> the net 
>>>>> now
>>>>> please note 
>>>>> 
>>>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>>>> 
>>>>> if space is curved 
>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>>>> 
>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>>>> 
>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>>>> 
>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>>>> 
>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>>>> probably
>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>>>> 
>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of
>>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet.
>>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>>>> an 
>>>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>>>> not because curved space !!
>>>>> but curved  globe 
>>>>> 2
>>>>> I indicated that
>>>>> even  according to my understanding
>>>>> SR  is right !!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>>>> and   i understand  it 
>>>>> but not 
>>>>> Gr calculations 
>>>>> we have to find  out 
>>>>> if they use
>>>>> GR calculations
>>>>> or may be
>>>>> just SR calculations 
>>>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>>>> Sr 
>>>>> with GR ??
>>>>> we have to ask 
>>>>> the  real people 
>>>>> who did  it 
>>>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>>>> =================TIA
>>>>> Y.P
>>>>> ============== 
>>> 
>>> I told you   parrot 
>>> you  and   Einstein  can plat with  your 
>>> curves space lines as much as you like    and  all night
>>> but
>>> the fact is that prcticslly 
>>> GPs is using  a thick net of
>>> 
>>> eye to eye  (do you understand what is eye tO  eye system 
>> 
>>> 
>>> AMD WHY  SO??
>>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE 
>>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH***  IS  NEEDED !!
>>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ???
>>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ??
>> 
>> Its factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of
>> spacetime for several reasons. 
>> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does.
> 
> ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of
> space got to do  anything with 
> curved space OR CUVED SPACE 
> 
> EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines    ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO   THE 'JOB!!!!

Again, practicality and “good enough” have nothing to do with validity of
science. 

> 
> ===
> 
>> 2. The line of sight 
> ---
>  I   said  'line of site'
> 
> only to indicate  that 
> that is the reason why  a long chain of transmission   stations is needed
> to   keep contact !!!
> and as anyone  know 
> em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!!

But they DONT. That’s the point. 

> THEY ARE  RACTICALLY    NOT INFLUEBCED BY  GRAVITY
> AND THE LITTLE  CURVED MOTION 
> (if   IS )
> LISTEN CAREFLLY
> 
> EM VAVES  HAVE MASS 
> indeed a very small tiny mass  
> 
> AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW
> HAS A BIG MASS 
> SO]
> IT IS ITERACTION   BETWEEN 
> MASS  OF EARTH   AND MASS   OF EM WAVES !!
> indeed a very small   interaction 
> 
> not because of  f en curved space !!
> as well as 
> Edington at his time
> could not know that
> EM waves  HAS MASS!! the only mass !!
> not relativistic mass
> and not schmelativistic mass  !!!
> 
> --------------------------------------
> 
>  is relevant between ground and satellite is
>> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is
>> negligible.
> ==================negligible   because the **tiny mass** of em waves 
> NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!!  
> ==============  
> 
> 
>> 3. The bend is so small that it doesnt matter. Remember the radius of
>> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million
>> billion feet. 
> ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en  'curved line of space
> as much as you like 
> 
> (3 billion  10 billon   1000 billion  
> any figure you will  say 

Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. 

> playing chess with yourself and other  useless  crocs  
> 
> =GPS 
> -does not use f en curved space 

Yes it does. It’s in the documented design. 

> NASSA    as well does not use it
> no one will ever use it 
> 
> only idiots use it 
> in their imagination 
> --
> but   the bad point of it
> preventing 
> real   advance !!!!
>  and wasting
> precious human resources !!! 
> 
> ============== 
>>> NOT nice dream at   might !!!!
> 
>  > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> -----------------
> indeed the only right thing about yourself  
> not your fault
> you was born --A PARROT  
> =================the real nice at   night dream    
> is you and your  damaging  incurable    clan
> of  f en curved space 
> that  BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!!
> =================TIA
> Y.P
> =============



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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