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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! |
| Date | 2018-11-03 18:09 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <prko7s$18lr$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 4:44:00 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 12:39:00 AM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> <y space !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>>>>>> the net >>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>> please note >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> if space is curved >>>>>>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>>>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>>>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>>>>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory >>>>>> >>>>>> Your choice. But it s stupid to criticize something you literally know >>>>>> nothing about. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>>>>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>>>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>>>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>>>>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>>>>> ===============really ?? >>>>>>> why >>>>>>> because you are playing chess with yourself ?? >>>>>>> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>>>>> (:-) >>>>>>> waw !!it is very impressive >>>>>>> why not 32 billion feet ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You >>>>>> couldn t follow it, could you? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> e earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>>>>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>>>>>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom & >>>>>> >>>>>> Anything over someone s head looks like magic to them. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>>>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>>>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>>>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>>>>>> but curved globe >>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>> I indicated that >>>>>>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>>>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>>>>>> and i understand it >>>>>>>>> but not >>>>>>>>> Gr calculations >>>>>>>>> we have to find out >>>>>>>>> if they use >>>>>>>>> GR calculations >>>>>>>>> or may be >>>>>>>>> just SR calculations >>>>>>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>>>>>> Sr >>>>>>>>> with GR ?? >>>>>>>>> we have to ask >>>>>>>>> the real people >>>>>>>>> who did it >>>>>>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>>>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>>>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>>>>>> =================TIA >>>>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> now Bod >>>>>>> it is your turn to listen to me : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and I wil quote now myself in Google many years ago !! >>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>> remember the Edington experiment >>>>>>> about curved light near earth : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that is where mistakes started : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>> I was considered that light has no mass '' >>>>>>> I showed andproved an historic finding that >>>>>>> PHOTONS HAS MASS >>>>>>> THEONLY MASS >>>>>>> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS >>>>>>> by analyzing the formula >>>>>>> E photon-hf (plank ) >>>>>>> if you analyze the dimension of it >>>>>>> you find to your surprise that >>>>>>> the photon has mass >>>>>>> AND NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS >>>>>>> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !! >>>>>>> AND NOT BY zERO !! >>>>>>> SO >>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in the Edington experiment >>>>>>> light was curving not because any f en curved space >>>>>>> but because photons has mass the only mass!! >>>>>>> and earth has mass !! >>>>>>> so light is curving next to earth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> E photon =hf remember >>>>>>> the Newtonian physic hat is serving NASA >>>>>>> and if em waves curve next to earth >>>>>>> there is a need for a whole net of satiates >>>>>>> to lead it around our globe >>>>>>> to be used at any point on earth >>>>>>> (look google >>>>>>> ''the real single photon mass and energy >>>>>>> by Y Porat >>>>>>> I heared about it by a guy called Y porat .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> bottom line in short >>>>>>> em waves cure around our globe >>>>>>> not because of f en curved 'space >>>>>>> but because Newtonian physics >>>>>>> that NASA use >>>>>>> for its interstellar project >>>>>>> of sending a human being to mars !!!! >>>>>>> not because of f en curve space >>>>>>> but because mass is attracting mass >>>>>>> and if you don't mind >>>>>>> mass is the creator of**all forces including gravity >>>>>>> not curved space'' >>>>>>> it will be in future in your books >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>> ============> > TIA >>>>>>> Y.P >>>>>>> ==================> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> ==================dear ingenious Bodkin anonymous !! >>>>> >>>>> I unlike you -- am not just a parrot as you >>>>> I am a little more than a parrot as you >>>>> with my own creative mind !! >>>> >>>> It’s interesting that you justify not knowing a damn thing about relativity >>>> by claiming that knowledge would make you a parrot. >>>> >>>> You seem to favor being “creative” from a position of ignorance. As though >>>> that is a virtue. >>>> >>>>> so !! >>>>> if we think about the >>>>> 'EDINGTON' effect ''/experiment >>>>> in the 'Eddington effect' >>>>> the light em beam >>>>> is indeed curving NEXT TO earth >>>>> but that curvature is not **sharp enough ** >>>>> to follow curvature of earth all around !!!! >>>> >>>> Of course not. The calculation I did shows that. >>> >>> >>> ==== >>> show those calculations >>> and don't hand wave !! >> >> I did! You couldn’t follow them? Remember the sagitta? The chord? The >> radius of curvature and the relation between them? >> >> If you don’t remember what I told you just two days ago, then you mind has >> rotted past pointlessness. >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> need I have to go on with that explanation ?? >>>>> may be one of our **thinking ** readers**can guess and go on and >>>>> explain what is going on >>>>> with that experiment and current use of it >>>>> and why is it that we need >>>>> many** transmission stations to redirect the em beam >>>>> to curve*** ALL AROUND OUR** GLOBE ?? !! >>>> >>>> That’s not what’s going on. That’s not the reason there are so many >>>> satellites. Instead of finding out what the reason is, you make something >>>> up, with your “creative” mind. >>> >>> ==== >>> I showed yo parrot that even theortically >>> and experimentally >>> the Edington em wavs were only partially curving >>> around globe >>> but di t go on curving the globe >>> because >> >> No one expects it to! Curved space does not mean that objects follow the >> curve of that space to follow the curve of the surface!! The two curves >> have nothing to do with each other. Nothing! Shake the bad idea from your >> head! It’s flat wrong! >> >> Read what the theory actually says rather than making up bullshit about it. > = > =================== > since you are such a great expert of curved space > please tell us > how that curved space will look like > all around the masses involved in the > Edington experiment ?? I showed you how to do the calculation at the surface of the earth. Follow the same thing but use the mass and radius of the sun instead. Go ahead. It’s not hard. > > TIA > Y.Porat > =========================== >> >> >>> >>> your f en curved space >>> did not exist >>> all aground our globe !! >>> >>> and that partial deviation >>> we had >>> was because ordinary local interaction >>> between >>> mass of earth and mass of PHOTON !!! >>> and in that beeam going on >>> it dint find your f en curved space >>> >>> AND THEREFORE >>> CONTINUED IN A*** SYRIGHT LINE !!!! >>>> -- >> > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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