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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !! |
| Date | 2018-11-12 03:44 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <psasvb$pde$2@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, November 11, 2018 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 5:46:08 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> <yporat08@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 9:37:40 AM UTC+2, ypor...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> There is no curvature and no 'schmervature ' of space !!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> space is nothing!! >>>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties >>>>>>>> except length dimension -- >>>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected >>>>>>>> if no mass in it !!! >>>>>>>> for me >>>>>>>> Mass is the main ''hero ' of all physics >>>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along many years ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that does not to say that >>>>>>>> I AM not A GREAT ADMIRER OF EINSTEIN !! >>>>>>>> FOR >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> E=mc^2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for his photoelectric findings >>>>>>>> and his SR!! >>>>>>>> that is as well right !!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ==================================> >> but >>>>>>>> Einstein was only a human being >>>>>>>> not an Angle from heaven >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> 'Hominum -errata est'' (spell ??in Roman >>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> if!! he was wrong about 'curved space' >>>>>>>> just imagine!! the damage it was causing >>>>>>>> along more than 100 years !! >>>>>>>> by preventing / ''screening'' some >>>>>>>> other real >>>>>>>> needed advance !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> not to speak about PRACTICAL USES >>>>>>>> even NASSA by its interstellar projects >>>>>>>> (to send a human being to Mars!!! >>>>>>>> does no use it!! >>>>>>>> except >>>>>>>> the ordinary Newtonian physics !! >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>> what on earth another ** responsible project** we have >>>>>>>> other than sending a human being to mars ??? >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> my alternative claim is that >>>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass** IS THE >>>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!! >>>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday ingenious >>>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!! >>>>>>>> was the first TABGIBLE clue to it !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> unprecedented !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly ) >>>>>>>> Eng >>>>>>>> Yehiel Porat >>>>>>>> 2/11/2018 >>>>>>>> =====================> > now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> odd Bodkin (anonymous)!! >>>>>>> wanted to cheat us >>>>>>> by saying that: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GPS is using 'curved space' physics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so what do you think about it ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> Y.Porat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===================> > >>>>>> >>>>>> I somehow knew you were incapable of doing a simple Google search, and that >>>>>> your ONLY recourse is to ask people here for help. Doesn t this embarrass >>>>>> you a little? >>>>>> http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Odd Bodkin Maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>>>> >>>>> ========================thank you Bodkin >>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching >>>>> the net >>>>> now >>>>> please note >>>>> >>>>> the GPS system is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL OUR GLOBE !! >>>>> >>>>> if space is curved >>>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !! >>>> >>>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED THE EM WAVES >>>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES >>>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !! >>>> >>>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at >>>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. >>>> >>>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It >>>> doesn t mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of >>>> curved spacetime. THAT S NOT WHAT IT MEANS! >>>> >>>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy >>>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe >>>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all that side by side net >>>>> probably >>>>> with relative short distance straight lines !! >>>> >>>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do >>>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earth s surface. The radius of >>>> curvature of spacetime near the earth s surface is 31 million billion feet. >>>> The radius of curvature of the earth s surface is 21 million feet. Do those >>>> look like the same numbers to you!?! >>>> >>>>> >>>>> em waves do not move in curved lines ?!! >>>>> they move in straight lines >>>>> and therefore there is the need of >>>>> an >>>>> eye to eye system !! >>>>> not because curved space !! >>>>> but curved globe >>>>> 2 >>>>> I indicated that >>>>> even according to my understanding >>>>> SR is right !!! >>>>> >>>>> so SR calculations are needed !! >>>>> and i understand it >>>>> but not >>>>> Gr calculations >>>>> we have to find out >>>>> if they use >>>>> GR calculations >>>>> or may be >>>>> just SR calculations >>>>> and it is their mistake to mix >>>>> Sr >>>>> with GR ?? >>>>> we have to ask >>>>> the real people >>>>> who did it >>>>> 'with their hands'' >>>>> and not from ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing >>>>> Sr with GR!?? >>>>> =================TIA >>>>> Y.P >>>>> ============== >>> >>> I told you parrot >>> you and Einstein can plat with your >>> curves space lines as much as you like and all night >>> but >>> the fact is that prcticslly >>> GPs is using a thick net of >>> >>> eye to eye (do you understand what is eye tO eye system >> >>> >>> AMD WHY SO?? >>> BECUSE IN THAT CASE >>> A ***STRIGHT LINE PATH*** IS NEEDED !! >>> GOT IT CURELESS PAERRROT ??? >>> THAT IS PRACTICE FACTS ?? >> >> Its factually wrong. The system would NOT fail because of the curvature of >> spacetime for several reasons. >> 1. It does NOT require straight line of sight the way you think it does. > > ===============================who on earth - tells you that curvature of > space got to do anything with > curved space OR CUVED SPACE > > EM WAVES that move is perfect straight lines ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO DO THE 'JOB!!!! Again, practicality and “good enough” have nothing to do with validity of science. > > === > >> 2. The line of sight > --- > I said 'line of site' > > only to indicate that > that is the reason why a long chain of transmission stations is needed > to keep contact !!! > and as anyone know > em waves move in SRAIGHT LINES !!! But they DONT. That’s the point. > THEY ARE RACTICALLY NOT INFLUEBCED BY GRAVITY > AND THE LITTLE CURVED MOTION > (if IS ) > LISTEN CAREFLLY > > EM VAVES HAVE MASS > indeed a very small tiny mass > > AND EART HAS AS EVEN YOU KNOW > HAS A BIG MASS > SO] > IT IS ITERACTION BETWEEN > MASS OF EARTH AND MASS OF EM WAVES !! > indeed a very small interaction > > not because of f en curved space !! > as well as > Edington at his time > could not know that > EM waves HAS MASS!! the only mass !! > not relativistic mass > and not schmelativistic mass !!! > > -------------------------------------- > > is relevant between ground and satellite is >> mostly radial and not tangential, and the bend in the radial direction is >> negligible. > ==================negligible because the **tiny mass** of em waves > NOT F EN CURVED SPACE !!! > ============== > > >> 3. The bend is so small that it doesnt matter. Remember the radius of >> curvature of spacetime in the region of the satellites is 31 million >> billion feet. > ================you can ''fiddle'' with your f en 'curved line of space > as much as you like > > (3 billion 10 billon 1000 billion > any figure you will say Quantities are critical in science. Physics is a quantitative science. > playing chess with yourself and other useless crocs > > =GPS > -does not use f en curved space Yes it does. It’s in the documented design. > NASSA as well does not use it > no one will ever use it > > only idiots use it > in their imagination > -- > but the bad point of it > preventing > real advance !!!! > and wasting > precious human resources !!! > > ============== >>> NOT nice dream at might !!!! > > > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > ----------------- > indeed the only right thing about yourself > not your fault > you was born --A PARROT > =================the real nice at night dream > is you and your damaging incurable clan > of f en curved space > that BTW has the dimension of **length** only &&!!! > =================TIA > Y.P > ============= -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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