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Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: NO CURVATURE AND NO ' ' SCHMERVATURE ' OF SPACE !!
Date 2018-11-02 22:38 +0000
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<yporat08@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 7:33:18 PM UTC+2, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> <y space !!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> space is nothing!!
>>>>>> and has no physical/Dimensions / properties
>>>>>> except length  dimension --
>>>>>> --that by itself cannot be detected 
>>>>>> if no mass  in it !!! 
>>>>>> for me 
>>>>>> Mass  is the main  ''hero ' of all  physics 
>>>>>> I was dwelling on it here along  many years !
>>>>>>> needed advance   !! 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NO ONE EVER USED IT FOR ANYTHING 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>> what on  earth   another ** responsible project** we have
>>>>>> other than  sending a human  being to mars ??? 
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> my  alternative  claim is that
>>>>>> even fantastical it looks in our days 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> ============================================> >> Mass**  IS THE
>>>>>> CREAEOR OF **ALL**!! FORCES ---INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
>>>>>> ==========================================> >> the Faraday  ingenious 
>>>>>> experiment with the permanent magnet 100yesre ago !!!
>>>>>> was the first  TABGIBLE  clue to  it !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> unprecedented  !!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ===================================> >> TIA (humbly )
>>>>>> Eng
>>>>>> Yehiel Porat 
>>>>>> 2/11/2018
>>>>>> =====================> > now
>>>>> 
>>>>> odd Bodkin  (anonymous)!!
>>>>> wanted to  cheat us  
>>>>> by saying that:
>>>>> 
>>>>> GPS  is using 'curved space' physics
>>>>> 
>>>>> so what do you think about it ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> Y.Porat
>>>>> 
>>>>> ===================> > 
>>>> 
>>>> indeed you are better than me in searching 
>>> the net 
>>> now
>>> please note 
>>> 
>>> the GPS system  is based on a **thick net**of satellites SURROUND ALL  OUR GLOBE !!
>>> 
>>> if space is curved 
>>> why do we need ALL THAT THICK NET OF SATTELITES !!
>> 
>> Can you at least go to www.wikipedia.org and read the article on GPS? 
>> 
>>> 
>>> IF SPACE WAS CURVEED   THE EM WAVES 
>>> WOULD FOOW THE SATTELITES 
>>> EVEN IF NOT 'SISED BY SIDE !!
>> 
>> No. You have the mistaken impression that any object at that elevation at
>> any speed would follow the same orbits as the satellites. 
>> 
>> You have a FUNDAMENTALLY poor understanding of what curved space means. It
> 
> =========================I am happy that I don't know that f en theory 

Your choice. But it’s stupid to criticize something you literally know
nothing about. 

> 
> 
>> doesnt mean that objects at that height all follow the curved track of
>> curved spacetime. THATS NOT WHAT IT MEANS!
>> 
>>> but run around ''curved space' that is; actualy
>>> not space but just our globe that is curved !~~ globe 
>>> that is curved !!!with no need of all  that side by side net 
>>> probably
>>> with relative short distance straight lines !!
>> 
>> Pay attention. The curvature of the surface of the earth has NOTHING to do
>> with the curvature of spacetime at the earths surface. The radius of
> ===============really ??
> why 
> because you are playing  chess with  yourself ?? 
> =====> curvature of spacetime near the earths surface is 31 million billion feet.
> (:-)
> waw   !!it is very impressive 
> why not 32 billion feet ???

I showed you how to do the calculation from measured, everyday numbers. You
couldn’t follow it, could you?

> 
> e earths surface is 21 million feet. Do those
>> look like the same numbers to you!?!
>> ===============it looks as witches on a broom &

Anything over someone’s head looks like magic to them. 

> 
> 
>>> em waves do not  move  in curved lines ?!!
>>> they move  in straight lines 
>>> and therefore there  is the need of 
>>> an 
>>> eye to eye    system !!  
>>> not because curved space !!
>>> but curved  globe 
>>> 2
>>> I indicated that
>>> even  according to my understanding
>>> SR  is right !!!
>>> 
>>> so  SR   calculations   are needed !!
>>> and   i understand  it 
>>> but not 
>>> Gr calculations 
>>> we have to find  out 
>>> if they use
>>> GR calculations
>>> or may be
>>> just SR calculations 
>>> and  it is their mistake to mix 
>>> Sr 
>>> with GR ??
>>> we have to ask 
>>> the  real people 
>>> who did  it 
>>> 'with  their hands'' 
>>> and  not from  ones that just'' heard' about it and were mixing
>>> Sr with     GR!??
>>> =================TIA
>>> Y.P
>>> 
> 
> now Bod
> it is your  turn to listen to me :
> 
> and I wil quote now myself in  Google many  years ago !!
> 1
> remember the  Edington experiment 
> about curved light near earth :
> 
> that is where mistakes started :
> 
> 1
> I was considered that light has  no mass ''
> I showed andproved an historic finding that
>  PHOTONS  HAS MASS
> THEONLY MASS
> NOT RELATIVISTIC ANDNOT SHMELAIVISTIC MASS
> by analyzing the formula 
> E photon-hf   (plank )
> if you analyze the dimension of it
> you find to  your surprise that 
> the photon has mass
> AND   NOTHING TO MULTIPLY THAT MASS
> NOT B ANHYTHING RELETIVISTIC COFICIENT !!
> AND NOT BY   zERO !!
> SO
> 2
> 
> in the Edington experiment 
> light was curving not because any f en curved space 
> but because photons  has  mass the  only mass!!
> and earth has mass !!
> so light is curving  next to earth 
> 
> E photon  =hf remember 
> the Newtonian physic hat  is serving NASA
> and if em waves curve next to earth 
> there  is a need for a whole net of satiates 
> to lead it around   our globe
> to be used at any point  on   earth
> (look google 
> ''the real single  photon mass and energy
> by Y  Porat
>  I heared about it by a  guy called Y porat ..
> 
> so
> bottom line  in short
> em waves cure around our globe 
> not because of f en    curved  'space 
> but because Newtonian physics 
> that NASA use 
> for its interstellar  project 
> of sending a human being to mars !!!!
> not because of f en curve space 
> but because mass is attracting   mass
> and if you don't mind 
> mass  is the creator of**all  forces   including gravity  
> not curved   space''   
>  it will be  in   future in your books
>  TIA
> Y.Porat
> =============
> TIA
> Y.P
> ===================



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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