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Re: [OT] Gas inspections

From "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: [OT] Gas inspections
Date 2026-10-31 11:01 +0100
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On 2026-10-30 05:38, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/28/26 22:51, Robert Riches wrote:
>> On 2026-10-29, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:


>> I mentioned to the PGE supervisor that I could approach or maybe
>> exceed 25KVA without excessive effort: A/C, electric cooking
>> stove with 4 burners plus oven (preparing Thanksgiving,
>> Christmas, or other big family feast), electric clothes dryer, a
>> couple of 1650W hair dryers, and (a few years later) nine 500W
>> halogen exterior lights, plus misc. indoor lights and appliances
>> He said PGE routinely puts _SIX_ houses, each with at least 200A
>> service, on a single 25KVA transformer.  That helped me
>> understand why PGE's transformers every once in a while would
>> explode, and now why there are odd-shaped black patches that look
>> like scorch marks on the exterior of the pole-mounted transformer
>> that supplies my current house and one other house.
> 
>    SIX houses on a single 25 transformer ??? That's
>    practically criminal !

I'm sure all the USA is wired like that, several houses on a single pole transformer, thus actually limiting the simultaneous current each can draw, worst case. VA Value varies.

Same thing happens here, but the transformer is much bigger, it is in a little building or underground vault, and serves a house block or several. Oil cooled. Sometimes, the transformer gets on fire.


> 
>> By the way, the big exterior lights were controlled by X10
>> switches.  I had an X10 controller on my nightstand.  With the
>> press of one button, I could light up the entire area around the
>> house brightly enough to mow the lawn.  I did that once (at about
>> 8pm on a September evening with stars visible in the black sky)
>> just to be able to say I had.
> 
>    X10 can indeed be useful. Have an out-building with
>    some floods and such on it ... the old switch wiring
>    out of my house went bad. Had my electrical guys put
>    in an X10 setup - one on my porch, the other end on
>    the out-building. WORKS ! Much cheaper than a total
>    underground re-wire too. The electrician kinda freaked
>    that I thought so far 'out of the box' - his usual
>    reality was 'dig, destroy, re-do all'.
> 
>    I think there are functional alts to X10 also now.
>    Found a remote relay on McMaster/Carr that uses
>    RF connections for switching, but not X-10. MAY
>    need that in the next year or so. Bookmarked.
> 

I just had the Google AI explain to me what X10 is. Learned something :-)



-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺.

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                [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:23 +0200
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 10:07 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:06 +0100
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:04 +0000
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-31 11:21 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-31 10:45 +0000
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-28 06:32 -0700
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 10:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:10 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:49 +0100
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