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Re: [OT] Gas inspections

From Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: [OT] Gas inspections
Date 2026-10-29 02:51 +0000
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On 2026-10-29, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
>
>    I don't. Almost impossible to overload a 200a feed.
>    A/C plus both water heaters plus standard stove
>    plus top burners plus the microwave ....

The "200A" figure in the US is much more theoretical than
practical, at least with Portland General Electric as the
utility.  Over 30 years ago when I had a house built, PGE
installed a new 25KVA on-ground transformer just for our new
house because the new house was on the last-to-be-developed lot
in the area and was on a long driveway, too far from other houses
to connect to their transformers.  Even if power factor was
unity, 25KVA into 240V is only 104A.

I mentioned to the PGE supervisor that I could approach or maybe
exceed 25KVA without excessive effort: A/C, electric cooking
stove with 4 burners plus oven (preparing Thanksgiving,
Christmas, or other big family feast), electric clothes dryer, a
couple of 1650W hair dryers, and (a few years later) nine 500W
halogen exterior lights, plus misc. indoor lights and appliances
He said PGE routinely puts _SIX_ houses, each with at least 200A
service, on a single 25KVA transformer.  That helped me
understand why PGE's transformers every once in a while would
explode, and now why there are odd-shaped black patches that look
like scorch marks on the exterior of the pole-mounted transformer
that supplies my current house and one other house.

By the way, the big exterior lights were controlled by X10
switches.  I had an X10 controller on my nightstand.  With the
press of one button, I could light up the entire area around the
house brightly enough to mow the lawn.  I did that once (at about
8pm on a September evening with stars visible in the black sky)
just to be able to say I had.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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                [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-24 21:23 +0200
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 01:16 -0400
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-26 13:07 +0000
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-26 21:39 +0000
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-26 23:03 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-27 00:44 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-26 09:05 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:47 +0100
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                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-27 14:37 +0000
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-27 18:38 +0000
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 13:05 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 10:07 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:06 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:57 +0000
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:21 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-29 02:51 +0000
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:48 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:45 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:41 +0000
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-27 06:19 -0700
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-27 10:11 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-10-28 06:32 -0700
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 10:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:10 +0100
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:32 -0400
                Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:49 +0100
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                Re: Personal agents on Linux: what should stay under the user's control? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-24 10:35 +0100
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                Re: Personal agents on Linux: what should stay under the user's control? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-24 10:31 +0100

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