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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Gas inspections |
| Date | 2026-10-29 21:45 +0100 |
| Organization | Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming |
| Message-ID | <esncrmxsro.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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On 2026-10-29 03:21, c186282 wrote: > On 10/28/26 13:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-28 15:07, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/28/26 08:05, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> I have just 10A of electricity (actually trips on 15A), so my >>>>>> cooking range has two induction rings and two butane rings. I am >>>>>> careful not to use two big electrical appliances at the same time. >>>>> >>>>> Whoa ... 10A x 220V for the whole house? Here we have 15A x 110V >>>>> for each outlet! >>>> >>>> 230 volts. Old contract, typical is 20A. >>> >>> Wow ! >>> >>> As said, USA, 15-20 amps PER OUTLET GROUP. 200 Amp >>> (220-240v/120v) almost universal for homes. >> >> What a waste. > > Not at all ! > > Assume two water heaters AND a 3-4 ton A/C > unit and a couple of 'major appliances'. > IF they're all on at the same time that > WILL suck a LOT of power. You just have to program the use of major appliances. My A/C unit just draws 1.2 KW at top power, usually runs at 300Watts, so not a problem. Nominally cools a big room, but in my house it cools 3. So a proper system for a flat doesn't need more than 2 or 3 KW, peak. Then I will not put at the same time either the washing machine, the drier, or the dish washer. Each of them takes a maximum of 2 KW peak. A smart home would talk to each appliance and tell them when they can or can not draw the maximum power in order to reduce the house instant power. >>> If you're gonna have electricity, HAVE SOME ELECTRICITY, >>> not just a feeble little spark. >> >> >> Easy: they charge us for the size of the electricity pipe. You want a >> 200Amps pipe for the entire house? More? Sure, you just pay a monthly >> fee. Number of A times number of days times constant fee. > > Fee ??? > > Are you still on post-WW2 rationing ? Nope. Give it a name that feels appropriate for something that is in the invoice, charging an amount that doesn't depend on your instant amperage. It depends on the number of days of the month, the number of Amps you tell the company that you will need as an absolute maximum, and a multiplying factor that tells you the euros that costs for each month. It is just the way it is. It allows the companies to calculate the maximum peak power of the country. > >> The result is that we size the Amps to the minimum we actually really >> need. > > USA, the theory is to be GENEROUS by default. > >> I have an old contract, inherited from my father. The paper said 10A, >> but he could use significantly more, so he never cared to increase the >> number. > > Don't see how you can LIVE on that ... Very easily, actually. > >> Later the company came and installed a limiter. > > Ah ... 'socialist fascism' .......... LOL. All parties, left and right, agree on this system. It is not political. > >> That did not work well, so they installed electronic meters with >> internal limitation. Fortunately for me, the actual limitation is set >> to 15A. I have some 2KW appliances, I just have to be careful of what >> I power up at the same time. > > I don't. Almost impossible to overload a 200a feed. > A/C plus both water heaters plus standard stove > plus top burners plus the microwave .... > > Lights, in these LED days, don't use that much > power - but it used to be lots of 100w bulbs. We had many 40 Watts lamps, and parents were telling kids to switch off the light when exiting the room. Thus, the study room would just have a 40W table lamp, and the ceiling lamp would be off. > >> Yes, I wanted to increase the number, but for that the company demands >> an installation certificate. I baulk, because it is not cheap for this >> old house. Too many problems in this house, so I'm moving to a new flat. > > Wow - it's just BAD BAD BAD wherever you are !!! Still 1929. Not at all. All of Europe demands a certificate to supply electricity to any house. It is the modern way. > > Consider totally replacing the govt. > >>>>>> I intend to move to a flat within a year, when they end building >>>>>> it and everything is papered and stamped over. All electric. Might >>>>>> electrify my car too. >>>>>> >>>>>> My current house is too old, needs a good renovation which I'm not >>>>>> keen on doing. Bedrooms are upstairs, and it is not guaranteed >>>>>> that I will be able to climb the stairs as I grow older. So, move. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, those stairs are guaranteed to become a problem at some point. >>>>> So in the apartment building, you also want to be on the ground floor! >>>> >>>> No, there are lifts. Spain is one of the countries with more >>>> elevators per capita, so my flat is on the 2nd level (3rd for USA). :-) >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You will probably have to upgrade the electric before you can sell >>>>> the old house. >>>> >>>> >>>> Nope, we can leave all the upgrading to the next owner. He has a lot >>>> to do, like change the flooring, change the water pipes (in and >>>> out), change the electricity ducting, maybe change some of the >>>> structure beams, certainly repair cracks, do something about >>>> humidity, maybe redo the roof... The house is sold as is, very >>>> possibly to tear it down completely - except that the front is >>>> "protected" and has to be kept intact, or reconstructed with the >>>> same appearance. >>> >>> Heh ... does sound cheaper to raze the building and >>> start all over :-) >> >> >> That's what I would do, having the money and a family; but consider >> that building a house with concrete is more expensive than with wood. >> A hurricane doesn't blast my house. The roof can go, but not the half >> a meter thick stone walls. > > In my will, I *do* rec razing the old house. It's > too low to the ground now anyway, uninsurable > since all the surrounding places put houses up on > little hills and the county won't fix the drainage > culverts. > >> And remember, the new house has to look from outside identical to the >> old one. Inside can be all different, but the external appearance of >> the entire neighbourhood has to keep. > > WHY does it have to look identical ??? Because it is a "protected neighbourhood". Designed by some architect of renown long ago. This is what happens in a city with history. This city is three millennia old. If your house is not "protected", but just "normal", you can do anything you want. Oh, wait, you need a permission from the city for any construction work, of course. > > I can replace mine with something out of the > Frank Lloyd Wright or Buckminster Fuller > catalog if I want. At least one geodesic > dome near me and some people build from > 2-5 metal cargo containers. In Texas you > can go even more wild - build a mini > medieval castle right next to a boring > square apartment complex if you want. > > Had an idea of a kind of rectangle, but with > the entire front curved out and made of bronzed > storm-rated windows ... > > Sounds like you're micro-managed to the EXTREME > and PUT UP WITH IT. > > What's next, mandate "traditional" dung and > straw huts ??? > > Another good reason for the USA revolution. > > COMPLETELY new govt ... think about it, quick. Ha, ha. :-D -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 13:05 +0100
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Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:57 +0000
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