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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Gas inspections |
| Date | 2026-10-26 22:47 +0100 |
| Organization | Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming |
| Message-ID | <2du4rmx92t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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On 2026-10-26 14:05, c186282 wrote: > On 10/26/26 06:33, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-26 06:16, c186282 wrote: >>> On 10/24/26 15:23, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2026-10-24 15:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 24/10/2026 13:45, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2026-10-24 14:09, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> On 24/10/2026 12:44, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>>>>> Gas cooking ... WILL admit it's "superior" for the >>>>>>>>> purpose. However that's hardly relevant when your >>>>>>>>> entire house explodes suddenly or everyone dies >>>>>>>>> from suffocation or monoxide. WON'T have gas ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess that your mandatory periodical gas inspection services >>>>>>>> are not up to par. >:-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let alone his smoke alarms or CO detectors... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, those are not mandatory in Spain, not even recommended. >>>>>> >>>>> Sloppy EU standards again. Sigh. >>>>> Couldn't build or insure my house without smoke alarms. >>>>> >>>>> Fire prevention gave me a CO alarm >>>> >>>> Insurance here don't ask for any of those. >>> >>> >>> But, if you use gas, DO at least install a CO detector ! >> >> It is not even recommended here. > > SHOULD be. > >>> A gas LEAK detector is also a VERY good idea. No BOOMS. >> >> We live in flats. Doesn't help me much if I put one, and my neighbour >> doesn't, and HE has a leak. > > Cluster-housing ... yea ... not as much you > can do. > > But you can do YOUR bit ... might help some. > Don't do it and there's NO help. > >>> Every few weeks, USA news, videos of entire houses >>> EXPLODING due to gas leaks. Look like a Russian drone >>> hit. USA infrastructure is generally newer than UK/EU >>> infrastructure - so BEWARE. >> >> Here, it happens rarely. > > Interesting. Wonder why ? Better infrastructure ? > > Starting in the early 1960s the idea of "quality > construction" kinda went out the window in the USA. > Slap 'em up FAST and CHEAP ! An envelope of cash > would placate the 'inspectors' and pols. > > That infamous condo collapse in Miami a few years > ago, the surviving workers DID tell "How It Was Done" > > Hmmm ... long back my parents considered buying a lot > in a little neighborhood - JUST slightly downhill of > the long-time UNLINED all-purpose trash dump. Everybody > drank/cooked/bathed with PUMP WATER back then. Lucky > they found an alt property. You don't wanna KNOW what > shit I found in that dump - evil chems by the literal > barrel-fulls. We kids would strap rifles to our bikes > and ride there to shoot rats and shit - the cops would > just smile and wave ... really. > > That neighborhood is still there - all zero-income > Billy-Bobs and brain-dead gang-bangers. > > DID find some barrels of an acetone/toluene solvent > there. Ran my junk Corvair on it. Worked ! > >>> "Pilot lights" in stoves and such ... CAN be a problem. >>> >>> Gas cooking/heating/etc DOES have its good place, but >>> DO keep the hazards in mind ! >>> >>> Some areas ... no WAY to change from gas to electric >>> with any sanity because too much of the electric grid >>> would have to be seriously upgraded. The UK had this >>> nutty plan to electrify, then somebody actually did >>> the numbers - unaffordable by a wide margin. >>> >>> Somewhere I have a little electric thing intended >>> to produce a little spark to keep pilot lights lit. >>> However MOST stoves/heaters ... it'd have to be a >>> major retrofit. Not sure ANY corps would do it now >>> for insurance/liability reasons. >> >> In this house, I have a butane flash water heater. It has two D size >> 1.5 volt batteries, and with those it lights up the gas when I open a >> tap. > > Good tech ... assuming you can tell if it stops working. Define "stops working". :-) The thing has some kind of very low power cpu or controller, and signals problems by flashing a single red led in various ways. Typical is no gas pressure, or battery low. It will not let the gas valve open with no fire, this situation is detected and it stops. It is actually quite finicky compared to the previous dumb unit I had. > > LITTLE butane for heating/etc in the USA, almost all > 'natural gas' (methane) or propane. Only 'campers', > 'caravans' in the UK, might use butane cylinders but > even most of those use propane now. Bottled butane is the old method, and the cheapest. If you use the heavy orange bottles of a certain regulated size, the price is also regulated. So low income families use those. Years later, depending on the city, we got ducted gas from Algeria. It is more expensive, simply because there is a meter and a contract. You pay even in summer. > >> The inspector came this year, tested the tubings, inserted some kind >> of probe into the exhaust to measure the type of gases, and pronounced >> my system safe for another 4 years. > > Good. At least somebody checked. 'Gas' can be OK, but > you DO have to keep on top of it. > >>>> If you buy a state of the art butane space heater (they work with >>>> bottles of butane) they don't have any CO sensor. Just a CO2 sensor. >>>> They don't generate CO. And they don't get inspected, either. >>> >>> They CAN produce a lot of CO ... so buy a detector !!! >> >> No, they can't. Certified. > > Umm ... why NOT ??? > > CO detection isn't anything new. The sensors > are already old tech and SHOULD be solid. > > Besides, even if not REQUIRED, buy a sensor > for YOUR safety. If it beeps, CHECK ! Before getting a dangerous CO level, there would be CO2 buildup, and that would be detected by the stove, with an automatic switch off. And the flame would be visibly yellow. I also enforce ventilation with a fan on the window. I did look at CO sensors, though, they were not cheap. My actual danger, is leaving something on the fire and forgetting about it. Has happened more than once. So, I always use a timer. > >>> Butane is a little less flammable than methane or propane >>> but you STILL need leak detectors. >>> >>>>>> I do remember cases of CO poisoning, but it was in a second >>>>>> residence, so perhaps not inspected because there was nobody there. >>>>>> >>>>>> More common are those poisoned in houses that were using the >>>>>> traditional wood coal stoves (usually placed under a table). No >>>>>> inspection in those, obviously. >>>>>> >>>>> Why not? >>>> >>>> Because it is not gas :-D >>>> >>>> It is just a metal container, like a big bowl, in which you pour a >>>> bunch of coals and set them on fire. There is no exhaust. Tradition! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Gas explosions do happen, but not "many". >>> >>> Umm ... every few weeks ... USA news shows >>> yet another entire house EXPLODING due to >>> a gas leak. >>> >>> I think that adds-up to "many". >>> >>> 'Gas' CAN be perfectly good - but it's a tech >>> that HAS to be carefully monitored. >>> >> >> I think it happened this summer once or twice. > > USA ... seems the weekly sensational video now > that everyone has security cams. BOOM !!! Mrs > Jabberwockies house lifts ten feet off the > ground and blasts shit over half the block. > >>> Electric can overheat/burn too ... not a panacea >>> but LESS hazardous IF you can get enough electric >>> service into an area. Worst case might BURN your >>> home, but not DETONATE your home. >> >> Absolutely. > > You might escape a developing fire - but not > an instant BOOM. > > The guy who built my house around 1950 was a > contractor - and lived there for a few years. > All the electric in the attic is SOLDERED > connections on that old mil/industrial grade > tri-layer ROMEX with caps and tape over THOSE > joins. Dad was an electrician and added on > properly too, all in metal conduit. No gas > ever. Don't want it. > > UK ... the power grid wasn't built to supply > all energy needs. Somebody actually worked the > numbers just before the big plan to force all > onto electric - program DROPPED suddenly. It'd > take more money than the UK has to upgrade the > power grid now. USA, everything built for 200 > amp service since WW2. > > Some in more rural areas still use gas tanks, > mostly because the power grid sometimes goes > down from winter storms and they can at least > stay warm with gas. I'm kinda south-ish and > near the coast so it doesn't get THAT cold. > But Nebraska - DO have a gas tank somewhere, > even if it just runs a heater in the barn. > Move in with Bessie and Porky for a week ... > > Have a butane mini-cooker though, runs on > cans, so I can still cook some things in > case of a long outage. More and more people > buy large automatic generator sets now, for > big-$$$, but forget that in case of a big > storm nobody can get there to fill the tank. I have just 10A of electricity (actually trips on 15A), so my cooking range has two induction rings and two butane rings. I am careful not to use two big electrical appliances at the same time. I intend to move to a flat within a year, when they end building it and everything is papered and stamped over. All electric. Might electrify my car too. My current house is too old, needs a good renovation which I'm not keen on doing. Bedrooms are upstairs, and it is not guaranteed that I will be able to climb the stairs as I grow older. So, move. > > Oh well, no panaceas ... just 'best compromise'. > Guess I could move next door to a nuke plant, > but then GUESS what'd happen :-) > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 13:05 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 10:07 -0400
Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:57 +0000
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