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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Gas inspections |
| Date | 2026-10-28 18:06 +0100 |
| Organization | Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming |
| Message-ID | <fmm9rmxsp9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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On 2026-10-28 15:07, c186282 wrote: > On 10/28/26 08:05, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2026-10-27 14:34, Lars Poulsen wrote: >>> On 10/26/2026 14:47, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> [...] >>>> Bottled butane is the old method, and the cheapest. If you use the >>>> heavy orange bottles of a certain regulated size, the price is also >>>> regulated. So low income families use those. >>>> >>>> Years later, depending on the city, we got ducted gas from Algeria. >>>> It is more expensive, simply because there is a meter and a >>>> contract. You pay even in summer. >>> >>> I guess butane works for household use in Spain. It will not work in >>> more Northern climates where the temperature can approach the >>> freezing point, because the boiling point of butane is at -0.4 C. So >>> if it is cold, you can't light the heater! > > Butane works just fine - so long as it doesn't > get TOO cold. Drop much below zeroC and it's > likely to just remain liquid in the bottle. > Propane IS better in this respect. > > Note butane and propane don't use the same air/gas > ratios for best burning ... really shouldn't try to > run old butane appliances on propane or methane, > or the other way around. You just need to change the metal piece that has a pin hole for the gas. Different diameter, that's it. Dunno the name. > >> Some places use propane instead. >> >> I know a friend in Madrid (where it does freeze in winter) who has old >> butane heating, with an array of maybe 8 or more butane bottles in >> parallel, for heating. >> >> >> Something similar to this, but bigger and better installed: >> >> https://share.google/kitJfMIQ6XBpgcdmD >> >> or this (commercial system): >> >> https://share.google/rc9Xv5NBuCizv7k2S >> >> >>> >>> For this reason, we here in California only ever see butane in pocket >>> cigarette lighters and in the little French "Bleuet Camping Gaz" cans. >>> >>> I discovered this problem when I tried to make coffee on a >>> Thanksgiving trip to the Grand Canyon. Had to take the blue can into >>> the sleeping bag with me to warm it up before I could light the stove. >> >> Heh :-) > > It's true. Butane is only for TINY stuff > in the USA. Propane or NG are the standards. > > One advantage of butane though, a strength in > its weakness, is that the pressure in the > container is lower than with propane/NG. You > can buy relatively thin/light cans of butane. Yes, I have portable cans for camping or emergencies. Very light. > >>>> I have just 10A of electricity (actually trips on 15A), so my >>>> cooking range has two induction rings and two butane rings. I am >>>> careful not to use two big electrical appliances at the same time. >>> >>> Whoa ... 10A x 220V for the whole house? Here we have 15A x 110V for >>> each outlet! >> >> 230 volts. Old contract, typical is 20A. > > Wow ! > > As said, USA, 15-20 amps PER OUTLET GROUP. 200 Amp > (220-240v/120v) almost universal for homes. What a waste. > > If you're gonna have electricity, HAVE SOME ELECTRICITY, > not just a feeble little spark. Easy: they charge us for the size of the electricity pipe. You want a 200Amps pipe for the entire house? More? Sure, you just pay a monthly fee. Number of A times number of days times constant fee. The result is that we size the Amps to the minimum we actually really need. I have an old contract, inherited from my father. The paper said 10A, but he could use significantly more, so he never cared to increase the number. Later the company came and installed a limiter. That did not work well, so they installed electronic meters with internal limitation. Fortunately for me, the actual limitation is set to 15A. I have some 2KW appliances, I just have to be careful of what I power up at the same time. Yes, I wanted to increase the number, but for that the company demands an installation certificate. I baulk, because it is not cheap for this old house. Too many problems in this house, so I'm moving to a new flat. > >>>> I intend to move to a flat within a year, when they end building it >>>> and everything is papered and stamped over. All electric. Might >>>> electrify my car too. >>>> >>>> My current house is too old, needs a good renovation which I'm not >>>> keen on doing. Bedrooms are upstairs, and it is not guaranteed that >>>> I will be able to climb the stairs as I grow older. So, move. >>> >>> Yes, those stairs are guaranteed to become a problem at some point. >>> So in the apartment building, you also want to be on the ground floor! >> >> No, there are lifts. Spain is one of the countries with more elevators >> per capita, so my flat is on the 2nd level (3rd for USA). :-) >> >>> >>> You will probably have to upgrade the electric before you can sell >>> the old house. >> >> >> Nope, we can leave all the upgrading to the next owner. He has a lot >> to do, like change the flooring, change the water pipes (in and out), >> change the electricity ducting, maybe change some of the structure >> beams, certainly repair cracks, do something about humidity, maybe >> redo the roof... The house is sold as is, very possibly to tear it >> down completely - except that the front is "protected" and has to be >> kept intact, or reconstructed with the same appearance. > > Heh ... does sound cheaper to raze the building and > start all over :-) That's what I would do, having the money and a family; but consider that building a house with concrete is more expensive than with wood. A hurricane doesn't blast my house. The roof can go, but not the half a meter thick stone walls. And remember, the new house has to look from outside identical to the old one. Inside can be all different, but the external appearance of the entire neighbourhood has to keep. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-26 22:47 +0100
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Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-27 14:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Gas inspections rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 13:05 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 10:07 -0400
Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-28 18:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-28 17:57 +0000
Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:21 -0400
Re: [OT] Gas inspections Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-10-29 02:51 +0000
Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:48 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 00:38 -0400
Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-30 11:04 +0000
Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-10-29 23:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:11 -0400
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Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-28 22:32 -0400
Re: [OT] Gas inspections "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-10-29 21:49 +0100
Re: [OT] Gas inspections c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-10-30 04:23 -0400
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