Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.)

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Subject	Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.)
Date	2014-06-19 18:59 +0000
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cykros <cykros@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Gnome was never something I loved, but the events of 3 years ago made
> sure I'd never leave it around on anything out of laziness.  It was
> amazing how quickly they managed to burn their empire with gnome 3.

I had already migrated away from Gnome for tilier pastures, but after
that fiasco I really sat up and took notice of of how the team acted.
Once I saw how bad it was, I tried to drop everything to do with that
dev team, although I still haven't managed to remove everything gtk.

I think the turning point was when I read a bug report for one of the
very early Gnome 3 versions of Evince (their pdf viewer) in which a user
complained that since migrating from 2.x, they couldn't save default
settings such as 100% page view. The developer who answered him said
something along the lines of ``Such a feature doesn't fit the vision of
Gnome... but if you pull from the master branch of the git repository
and press ^T, you might be pleasantly surprised.''.

That a user could bring an obvious enhancement request (regression
report, actually), that a developer could completely agree with them and
write a trivial fix but then have to hide that fix behind an
undocumented keystroke to avoid the design team; that made me jump ship
entirely.

To their credit, ``Save Current Settings as Default'' seems to be a very
visible option in Evince now, since when I search for that bug report, I
find only reports of it breaking and being fixed in recent 3.x series
releases.  Still, Gnome is now in my books as A Possibly Well-Engineered
Solution To A Problem I Don't Have.

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Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-24 20:07 +0000
  Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "cykros" <cykros@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-17 23:14 -0400
    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-18 09:58 +0000
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:48 -0700
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-19 10:15 +0000
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:02 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 02:49 -0300
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +0000
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon,  Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 15:20 -0300
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-20 19:59 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-22 16:40 +0300
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-19 17:45 -0700
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-18 23:50 +0300
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-06-21 01:18 +0100
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:16 -0700
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-06-21 13:05 +0100
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 18:54 +0200
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                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 22:07 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-22 05:20 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-23 19:51 +0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-23 22:46 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-25 20:11 +0300
    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) A Lurker <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:59 +0000

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