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Re: Gravity and light question

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Gravity and light question
Date 2016-07-18 00:16 +0200
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Odd Bodkin wrote:

> On 7/17/2016 9:30 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> The way I understand it, reduced down in a way that hopefully OP can
>>> follow, is that a more accurate representation of gravity (general
>>> relativity) has TWO terms for the rate of bend. There is a term that is
>>> proportional to G and this is the term that survives even in the low
>>> speed approximation. But there is an additional term that comes from the
>>> curvature of spacetime, which corresponds to the familiar Newtonian
>>> expression for the centripetal acceleration: v^2 / r. The radius of
>>> curvature of spacetime is c^2 / G, and so substituting in, this term is
>>> then G(v/c)^2. Combining both terms, you get
>>> G + G(v/c)^2.
>>> This applies to BOTH light and for matter, so strictly speaking, it is
>>> not different for light and for matter at all.
>>
>> Such a nonsense, it is not even wrong.
>>
>> To begin with, the curvature of a spacetime is a *tensor* *field*.
> 
> As I said, "reduced down in a way".

You have "reduced" so much whatever understanding of general relativity you 
might have that the resulting explanation is utter nonsense of the form “not 
even wrong”.

AISB, the curvature of a spacetime is a *tensor* *field*; the curvature 
values for each point of that spacetime are *higher-rank* *tensors*.  For 
the spacetime in the vicinity of a massive body the curvature is not zero, 
and it is *different* for each point/event of that spacetime compared to 
neighboring points/events.  IOW, the curvature of that spacetime is _not_ 
constant over that spacetime even for a body at relative rest; it follows 
from the definition of the radius of curvature that the radius of curvature 
is not constant, too.  Whereas c and G are *constant* *scalars*, and so is 
your c²∕G – it *cannot* describe the radius/radii of curvature in the 
vicinity of massive object correctly.

I strongly recommend that you read, *carefully*, *at least*:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_general_relativity>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_curvature_tensor>

Also, this should be discussed in <news:sci.physics.relativity> instead.

-- 
PointedEars

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  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 07:25 -0500
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          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:11 -0500
            Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-17 16:30 +0200
              Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-17 11:15 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:29 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-18 00:16 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:39 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-18 22:55 +0200
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                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:12 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 13:13 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Kent Evans <kenev@bluebarryinfo.org> - 2016-07-22 18:27 +0000
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:34 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-23 23:21 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 00:09 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 13:11 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 14:09 -0700
                light is waves through the electronic matters of free space noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 19:16 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 15:22 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:53 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:39 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:12 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 10:54 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:56 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 17:12 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 17:10 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 16:51 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:24 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-26 19:18 +0000
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 15:04 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 18:50 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 15:05 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:16 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-26 11:00 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 11:52 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-27 08:29 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 14:01 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 18:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-01 08:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 15:12 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-26 21:36 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 15:05 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-27 18:36 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 13:08 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-28 00:15 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 09:24 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-29 07:05 +0200
                i.q at most zero noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 14:19 -0700
                Light (was: i.q at most zero) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-29 07:16 +0200
                Re: Light (was: i.q at most zero) LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 22:34 -0700
                see _Light, a history: Fermat's complete correspondence on light_ noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 09:38 -0700
                Re: see _Light, a history: Fermat's complete correspondence on light_ brandonahenley9@gmail.com - 2016-07-29 12:38 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:15 -0500
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      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:41 -0500
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          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:38 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:24 -0500
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                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:22 -0500
    all properties of light are wave(y\s, including the photon-electrical effect noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 17:03 -0700
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