Re: Gravity and light question

Newsgroups	sci.physics
Date	2016-07-16 14:10 -0700
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Subject	Re: Gravity and light question
From	mapou001@gmail.com

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On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 2:02:38 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 12:56:57 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 11:02:34 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > On 7/15/2016 4:03 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 1:38:43 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > >> On 7/15/2016 3:18 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 11:01:12 PM UTC-7, mapo...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> Is there a hypothesis that explains why light falls twice as fast as mass?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please, don't offer equations because math explain nothing. On the contrary, it's the math that needs a physical explanation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Just for the record:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://sethi.lamar.edu/bahrim-cristian/Courses/PHYS4480/4480-PROBLEMS/optics-gravit-lens_PPT.pdf
> > > >>> Dr. Cristian Bahrim: "If we accept the principle of equivalence, we must also accept that light falls in a gravitational field
> > > >>> with the same acceleration as material bodies."
> > > >>
> > > >> It does. Light and material bodies both fall at the rate G[1 + (v/c)^2 ]
> > > >>
> > > >> The rate obviously varies with v for ALL bodies, and there is nothing in
> > > >> the statement above that says that all bodies accelerate at the same
> > > >> rate in a gravitational field regardless of their speed. Nor is that
> > > >> implied ANYWHERE in the elevator gedanken that Einstein used to explain
> > > >> the equivalence principle.
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The problem is that it doesn't. The equivalence principle is BS.
> > > >>>
> > > > You're a fucking moron.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Such a well-reasoned response.
> > > 
> > > But go ahead, read some books and see if Einstein, or the elevator 
> > > gedanken, or any treatment of general relativity ever makes the claim 
> > > that the acceleration of bodies is independent of their speed.
> > > 
> > > Or the alternative might be that you say that this conclusion (that 
> > > objects should all fall at the same rate regardless of speed) is yours 
> > > and yours alone, and that these statements are in conflict with your 
> > > conclusion. I'd have no problem with that at all.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > You are a moron. It's simple common sense to expect everything in an accelerated elevator to accelerate at the same rate. It follows from elementary geometry and arithmetic. The speed thing was fudged in by Einstein in order to make their chicken feather voodoo theory agree with observation. Relativists have no fucking idea why photons fall faster than massive objects. Fudging an equation is not an explanation. It's Ptolemaic epicycles all over again. It's a sign of total fucking cluelessness.
> > 
> > Now go pack yams up your ass and see if I give a rat's ass.
> > 
> > ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...
> 
> The problem is, of course, that you don't have any idea what the definition is for 'acceleration', since you are stump-stupid...

LOL. No, the problem is that you and Bodkin take turn packing relativistic yams up each other's ass. Skin and all.

ahahaha...AHAHAHAHA...ahahahaha...

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Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 23:01 -0700
  Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 07:25 -0500
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      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:41 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 11:02 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:46 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:11 -0500
            Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-17 16:30 +0200
              Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-17 11:15 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:29 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-18 00:16 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:39 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-18 09:32 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-18 22:55 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 17:44 -0700
  Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 09:33 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 08:36 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 11:25 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:02 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:42 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 14:22 -0500
  glightinos noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:06 -0700
  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:40 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:42 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:51 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:05 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:23 -0500
            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:31 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:40 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:47 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:56 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:54 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:58 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 10:29 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 11:09 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 09:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 09:59 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 12:59 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 11:15 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 09:56 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 10:03 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 12:22 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 12:38 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 11:04 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 13:25 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 11:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 14:12 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 14:19 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 12:24 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 14:33 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-18 14:01 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 16:13 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-18 19:02 -0400
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-18 16:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:12 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 11:17 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:46 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 11:51 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 13:58 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 12:11 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 14:19 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 12:30 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 14:38 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 12:43 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 15:08 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 13:26 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-19 16:36 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-19 19:32 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-20 10:54 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 13:13 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-20 11:31 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 14:10 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:24 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Kent Evans <kenev@bluebarryinfo.org> - 2016-07-22 18:27 +0000
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:34 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-23 23:21 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 00:09 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 13:11 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 14:09 -0700
                light is waves through the electronic matters of free space noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 19:16 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 15:22 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 14:12 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:53 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:37 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:39 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:12 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 10:54 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:56 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 17:12 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 17:10 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 16:51 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:24 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-26 19:18 +0000
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 15:04 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 18:50 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 15:05 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:16 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-26 11:00 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 11:52 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-27 08:29 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 14:01 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 18:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-01 08:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 15:12 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-26 21:36 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 15:05 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-27 18:36 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 13:08 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-28 00:15 +0200
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 09:24 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-29 07:05 +0200
                i.q at most zero noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 14:19 -0700
                Light (was: i.q at most zero) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-29 07:16 +0200
                Re: Light (was: i.q at most zero) LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 22:34 -0700
                see _Light, a history: Fermat's complete correspondence on light_ noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 09:38 -0700
                Re: see _Light, a history: Fermat's complete correspondence on light_ brandonahenley9@gmail.com - 2016-07-29 12:38 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:15 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 12:54 -0500
  Re: Gravity and light question edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:41 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 10:50 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:18 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:22 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:36 -0500
            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:43 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 13:49 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 11:58 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:01 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 12:06 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:17 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 12:19 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 14:29 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 14:23 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 12:33 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-15 16:58 -0500
  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 13:18 -0700
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        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 15:29 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:15 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:17 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:46 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 17:14 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 17:55 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 18:08 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 19:47 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:41 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-17 14:08 -0700
          Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:38 -0500
    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:38 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 14:03 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 13:02 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 12:56 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:02 -0700
              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:10 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:38 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:46 -0700
            Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:36 -0500
              Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 14:45 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:48 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 15:10 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 16:11 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 18:18 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 19:40 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-07-16 23:35 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-17 00:35 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:24 -0500
                Re: Gravity and light question xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-16 22:22 -0700
                Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:22 -0500
    all properties of light are wave(y\s, including the photon-electrical effect noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 17:03 -0700
  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-15 16:42 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-17 16:37 -0500
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    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-17 13:17 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:41 -0500
  Re: Gravity and light question Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-24 17:29 +1000
    Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 00:39 -0700
      Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-27 12:06 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 10:17 -0700
  Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-26 21:05 -0700
    Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 07:47 -0500
      Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 09:19 -0700
        Re: Gravity and light question Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-27 11:56 -0500
        Re: Gravity and light question Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 12:56 -0500
          Re: Gravity and light question mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 11:19 -0700

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