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Re: How is time really organized

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Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am Freitag000007, 07.08.2026 um 07:49 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am Montag000003, 03.08.2026 um 10:03 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 06:24:14 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Am Mittwoch000029, 29.07.2026 um 08:14 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Am Montag000027, 27.07.2026 um 06:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000025, 25.07.2026 um 08:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natividad Ã…Å¡lusarski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. Time is something completely else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not carry labels or calendars.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time called 'now'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was over here, and now I'm over here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, here is the REAL here and Now...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is here is here..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is very very far away apart from here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is everywhere
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is right here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'W'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There??
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the letter 'T'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all Here!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What about Now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now is like...WOW!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> over here it is the same now  as over there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> over there!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's now now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The time now is...NOW!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What time is it now? Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The time is Now!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Everywhere!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The problem of course is...where does Here begin?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Here or over there?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Where?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Over here.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The hypersheet of the present is actually invisible, because we need
> >>>>>>>>> light so see something and that needs time to travel.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So, in effect we can't see the hypersheet of the present, but see along
> >>>>>>>>> our own past-light-cone.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> THAT cone HAS borders, because the past begins at the (alleged) big-bang.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So: no, the time at the borders of what you call 'universe' (which is
> >>>>>>>>> actually your own past light cone) is, of course, not 'now'!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It would require to define the 'hypersheet of the present' and show,
> >>>>>>>>> that THAT would have borders.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But, unfortunately, you cannot know whether or not it has borders,
> >>>>>>>>> because you can't see in that direction.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TH
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The "cone" is incorrect and misinformation/madeup information.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Before the big bang (proto-universe), Time had no seconds no years. It
> >>>>>>>> was eternal time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The big bang created time in...seconds.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not a big fan of 'big-bang theory' and personally think, this theory
> >>>>>>> is garbage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I use the term "the big bang" because you guys don't like the word
> >>>>>> "created" either.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think, that 'the universe' isn't universe at all, but what we call
> >>>>>>> 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That 'universe' is also 'stacked in time', what would make the entire
> >>>>>>> picture unreal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What we see in the night sky does not refelct some sort of reality, but
> >>>>>>> is composed of pictures from the past, which have different ages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I believe one can invent a camera that takes pictures of the past, like
> >>>>>> 10 hours agao, or two days ago..which can be used to idenify a 'crime
> >>>>>> scene'
> >>>>>> as it took place then.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is very difficult, to artificially correct this error, because the
> >>>>>>> universe is so large. And to know what is happening now in -say- 1
> >>>>>>> billion light years distance would require to wait for 1 billion years
> >>>>>>> (what we can't).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You can make a phone call with a quantum phone that the signal jumps
> >>>>>> a billion light years away, and when the phone rings, and somebody picks
> >>>>>> up their phone a billion light years away...You say, "I'm calling from
> >>>>>> Earth."
> >>>>>> and they will say..."How did you get this number?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Possibly...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But usual cosmology doesn't use 'quantum phones'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Instead cosmologists peep through telescopes and gace at distant stars
> >>>>> and galaxies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is seen in a telescope isn't real and never was and never will be,
> >>>>> because the picture is 'layered in time'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To see the content of the real 'hypersheet of the present' isn't easy,
> >>>>> because you can't do that with light.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Possibly there exist other means, which allow to see into the invisible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But apparently those are classified, if they exist, or they don't exist
> >>>>> at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is therefore kind of nonsense to discuss 'big-bang', the existence of
> >>>>> black holes or how fast gravity propagates, if much simpler questions
> >>>>> cannot be solved.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TH
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Invisible"???? do you mean like ...hiding from us?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nature does not hide.
> >>>
> >>> Sure, nature hides lots of things.
> >>>
> >>> What you call 'visible' (from the Latin word 'visio' - 'I see') is
> >>> depending on your eyes and your point of view.
> >>>
> >>> Both aspects restrict the visibility of real things greatly.
> >>>
> >>> It is therefore nonsense to require visibility, if you want to call
> >>> something 'real'.
> >>>
> >>> Visibility is obviously restricted by the frequency of the received waves.
> >>>
> >>> Human eyes are quite picky in respect to that and respond only to a very
> >>> narrow spectrum.
> >>>
> >>> Also the locations would matter, if you want to see something.
> >>>
> >>> E.g. you cannot see the 'backside' of the Moon, if you stand on planet
> >>> Earth, even if that side of the Moon is oviously real.
> >>>
> >>> Than we have restrictions of the kind of interaction, because our eyes
> >>> do not respond to anything else than em-radiation.
> >>>
> >>> E.g. longitudinal waves or particle beams cannot be seen, even if they
> >>> exist.
> >>>
> >>> Next nasty thing is time:
> >>>
> >>> you cannot look into the past nor into the future, for instance.
> >>>
> >>> TH
> >>
> >> I look at your...response and I seem to see a lot of...hot air.
> >
> >
> > Of course, they say air is invisible...
> >
> > is water invisible to a fish?
> most likely the fish 'thinks' he's flying.
> 
> ...
> 
> TH


Air is visible. The color of air is Blue.

From space it is a Blue Dot.

You can look up and it's blue.




You're walking on air...

Actually, you are standing on the bottom of the blue ocean called...air.

Get off my blue dot.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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