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  iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-25 19:35 -0600
    Re: iTunes 11 8-( Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-25 18:06 -0800
      Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-26 14:05 +0000
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:15 -0600
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 12:40 +0000
    Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-25 21:15 -0500
      Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 15:08 +0000
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 22:26 +0000
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 23:05 +0000
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-26 18:10 -0500
                Re: iTunes 11 8-( Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-01-26 15:40 -0800
                  Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 19:25 -0600
                    Re: iTunes 11 8-( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-27 01:52 +0000
                      Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-27 19:14 -0600
                        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-28 01:28 +0000
                    Re: iTunes 11 8-( Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-01-26 20:30 -0800
                      Re: iTunes 11 8-( "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-27 06:41 -0500
                        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-27 14:56 +0000
                        Re: iTunes 11 8-( John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-27 08:01 -0800
                      Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-27 19:12 -0600
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-27 14:56 +0000
                Re: iTunes 11 8-( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-27 15:39 +0000
                  Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-27 22:50 +0000
        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-26 08:51 -0700
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:11 -0600
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 22:26 +0000
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-01-26 16:27 -0700
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-27 08:19 -0800
        Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 13:55 -0500
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:10 -0600
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-26 13:16 -0800
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 16:38 -0500
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 22:26 +0000
      Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:08 -0600
        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-27 12:40 +0000
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( W^3 <82ndAve@comcast.net> - 2014-01-30 23:22 -0800
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-01-31 03:11 -0800
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-31 21:42 +0000
                Re: iTunes 11 8-( Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-01-31 16:33 -0800
                  Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-02-01 16:30 +0000
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-31 12:34 +0000
    Re: iTunes 11 8-( Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-26 02:44 +0000
      Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 13:56 +0000
        Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 15:06 +0000
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2014-01-26 07:28 -0800
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 13:55 -0500
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:07 -0600
                Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 15:38 -0500
                  Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 22:26 +0000
                Re: iTunes 11 8-( "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-27 06:20 -0500
                  Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 13:06 -0500
                    Re: iTunes 11 8-( "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-27 17:20 -0500
                      Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-27 18:33 -0500
                        Re: iTunes 11 8-( "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-01-28 10:03 -0500
                          Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-29 14:36 -0500
                    Re: iTunes 11 8-( "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2014-02-08 10:40 -0500
                      Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 12:54 -0500
            Re: iTunes 11 8-( erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2014-01-26 14:05 -0600
              Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 15:38 -0500
                Re: iTunes 11 8-( Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2014-01-26 22:26 +0000
          Re: iTunes 11 8-( nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-26 13:55 -0500

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#20855

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> writes:

> Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid>
> wrote:
> > W^3 <82ndAve@comcast.net> writes:
> > 
> >> In article <slrnleckur.rt4.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
> >>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In message <drache-B21326.14082826012014@news.eternal-september.org> 
> >>>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> In article <250120142115257957%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> >>>>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>> In article <drache-DC7CDA.19350325012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>>>> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> I "up"graded iTunes because I'm probably going to buy an iPad
> >>>>>> Air soon.  It's a mucky mess.  The master music list has
> >>>>>> vanished, as far as I can see.  Is there a way to get it
> >>>>>> back?  It took several tries to find where my playlists were
> >>>>>> hidden.  It won't let me see album covers at the bottom of
> >>>>>> the playlists any more, just uses up a 3-inch column so most
> >>>>>> of my info is hidden off to the right and I have to scroll to
> >>>>>> find it.  It wanted to make my book/pdf lists impossible to
> >>>>>> read with monsterview, but I finally managed to defeat that,
> >>>>>> too.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> My distrust of "up"grades has been vindicated yet again.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> turn on the sidebar - view menu, show sidebar.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> i don't know why they hid the sidebar but they did.
> >>> 
> >>>> Oh, I found that.  I'm fairly good at poking around.  My complaints are 
> >>>> more about totally missing features.
> >>> 
> >>> You have yet to name a single missing feature in iTunes 11.
> >> 
> >> Here's one (I would love to be wrong about this): Playlists cannot 
> >> open in another window, and the simplicity of dragging and dropping 
> >> songs into them has been lost.
> > 
> > Yeah, lots of this type of stuff changed.  I'm still finding the new
> > ways of doing things.
> > 
> > Here's what you can do now, and it probably is an improvement over
> > opening the playlist in a separate window.  
> > 
> > Go to Music/Playlists.  Select the playlist you want to add to.  Then
> > click the Add-To icon over on the right margin near the top.  That
> > will leave your playlist open in a column on the right while showing
> > your Song list on the left.  Now you can drag and drop from the main
> > list to the playlist.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, that playlist display insists on showing (small) album
> > covers, so it takes up more room that it really needs to.
> > 
> > Martin
> 
> Horrors! Does this mean I can't add a new CD to a playlist wothout all this
> rigamarole now?

Rigamarole?  It's about one click more than it used to be, and cleaner
since you don't have to reposition and/or resize a second window.

But if you want to add an ALBUM to a playlist, go to Music/Albums,
right click on the album of interest and select Add to Playlist and
then the Playlist you want to add it to.

Or as Lewis suggested, start dragging the album.  That will make the
list of playlists show up on in a column on the right.  Drop the album
into your preferred playlist.

Martin

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#20856

Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid>
wrote:
> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> writes:
> 
>> Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> W^3 <82ndAve@comcast.net> writes:
>>> 
>>>> In article <slrnleckur.rt4.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>>>>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In message <drache-B21326.14082826012014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>>>>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <250120142115257957%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>>>>>>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In article <drache-DC7CDA.19350325012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>>>>> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I "up"graded iTunes because I'm probably going to buy an iPad
>>>>>>>> Air soon.  It's a mucky mess.  The master music list has
>>>>>>>> vanished, as far as I can see.  Is there a way to get it
>>>>>>>> back?  It took several tries to find where my playlists were
>>>>>>>> hidden.  It won't let me see album covers at the bottom of
>>>>>>>> the playlists any more, just uses up a 3-inch column so most
>>>>>>>> of my info is hidden off to the right and I have to scroll to
>>>>>>>> find it.  It wanted to make my book/pdf lists impossible to
>>>>>>>> read with monsterview, but I finally managed to defeat that,
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My distrust of "up"grades has been vindicated yet again.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> turn on the sidebar - view menu, show sidebar.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i don't know why they hid the sidebar but they did.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh, I found that.  I'm fairly good at poking around.  My complaints are 
>>>>>> more about totally missing features.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have yet to name a single missing feature in iTunes 11.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's one (I would love to be wrong about this): Playlists cannot 
>>>> open in another window, and the simplicity of dragging and dropping 
>>>> songs into them has been lost.
>>> 
>>> Yeah, lots of this type of stuff changed.  I'm still finding the new
>>> ways of doing things.
>>> 
>>> Here's what you can do now, and it probably is an improvement over
>>> opening the playlist in a separate window.  
>>> 
>>> Go to Music/Playlists.  Select the playlist you want to add to.  Then
>>> click the Add-To icon over on the right margin near the top.  That
>>> will leave your playlist open in a column on the right while showing
>>> your Song list on the left.  Now you can drag and drop from the main
>>> list to the playlist.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, that playlist display insists on showing (small) album
>>> covers, so it takes up more room that it really needs to.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>> 
>> Horrors! Does this mean I can't add a new CD to a playlist wothout all this
>> rigamarole now?
> 
> Rigamarole?  It's about one click more than it used to be, and cleaner
> since you don't have to reposition and/or resize a second window.
> 
> But if you want to add an ALBUM to a playlist, go to Music/Albums,
> right click on the album of interest and select Add to Playlist and
> then the Playlist you want to add it to.
> 
> Or as Lewis suggested, start dragging the album.  That will make the
> list of playlists show up on in a column on the right.  Drop the album
> into your preferred playlist.
> 
> Martin

Sigh of relief 8-). I wasn't paying close enough attention. I use a single
window.
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20846

In message <82ndAve-1CEA88.23222630012014@News.Individual.NET> 
  W^3 <82ndAve@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <slrnleckur.rt4.g.kreme@amelia.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <drache-B21326.14082826012014@news.eternal-september.org> 
>>   erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> > In article <250120142115257957%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>> >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> >> In article <drache-DC7CDA.19350325012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> >> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > I "up"graded iTunes because I'm probably going to buy an iPad Air soon.  
>> >> > It's a mucky mess.  
>> >> > The master music list has vanished, as far as I can see.  Is there a way 
>> >> > to get it back? 
>> >> > It took several tries to find where my playlists were hidden.  
>> >> > It won't let me see album covers at the bottom of the playlists any 
>> >> > more, just uses up a 3-inch column so most of my info is hidden off to 
>> >> > the right and I have to scroll to find it.
>> >> > It wanted to make my book/pdf lists impossible to read with monsterview, 
>> >> > but I finally managed to defeat that, too.
>> >> > 
>> >> > My distrust of "up"grades has been vindicated yet again.
>> >> 
>> >> turn on the sidebar - view menu, show sidebar.
>> >> 
>> >> i don't know why they hid the sidebar but they did.
>> 
>> > Oh, I found that.  I'm fairly good at poking around.  My complaints are 
>> > more about totally missing features.
>> 
>> You have yet to name a single missing feature in iTunes 11.

> Here's one (I would love to be wrong about this): Playlists cannot 
> open in another window, and the simplicity of dragging and dropping 
> songs into them has been lost.

You can't do it as a separate window, but you can do it.

<fires up iTunes>

OK, at the top of the window under the play bar and search field, the
last item in the tab bar is "Playlists". Click that and you will get a
list of your playlists.

Pick the playlist you want to modify from the list on the left (it must
be a regular playlist, of course, not a smart list).

Now, right under the "iTunes Store" button there is "Add to...". Click
it.

Now you will have all your music on the left and the selected playlist
on the right and you can drag all you want.

However, this is not what I do (which is why I had to launch iTunes). I
simply select songs that I want to add to a playlist and drag them to the
right. As soon as I start to move, the list of devices and playlists
appears on the right side and I drop the songs onto the desired
playlist.

So not only is the feature still there, but there are now two ways to
access it.

-- 
Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all
the time might start to think.

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#20690

On 2014-01-26, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> I "up"graded iTunes because I'm probably going to buy an iPad Air soon.  
> It's a mucky mess.  
> The master music list has vanished, as far as I can see.  Is there a way 
> to get it back? 
> It took several tries to find where my playlists were hidden.  
> It won't let me see album covers at the bottom of the playlists any 
> more, just uses up a 3-inch column so most of my info is hidden off to 
> the right and I have to scroll to find it.
> It wanted to make my book/pdf lists impossible to read with monsterview, 
> but I finally managed to defeat that, too.
>
> My distrust of "up"grades has been vindicated yet again.

You hate change. If only you could get over your silly fears, a simple
Google search would show you how to get what you want. The rest of us
have done so and moved on long ago; and you are left in the dust of
time.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#20700

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-01-26, erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> I "up"graded iTunes because I'm probably going to buy an iPad Air soon.  
>> It's a mucky mess.  
>> The master music list has vanished, as far as I can see.  Is there a way 
>> to get it back? 
>> It took several tries to find where my playlists were hidden.  
>> It won't let me see album covers at the bottom of the playlists any 
>> more, just uses up a 3-inch column so most of my info is hidden off to 
>> the right and I have to scroll to find it.
>> It wanted to make my book/pdf lists impossible to read with monsterview, 
>> but I finally managed to defeat that, too.
>> 
>> My distrust of "up"grades has been vindicated yet again.
> 
> You hate change. If only you could get over your silly fears, a simple
> Google search would show you how to get what you want. The rest of us
> have done so and moved on long ago; and you are left in the dust of
> time.

I did all the suggested things before complaining. 8-) there are still
missing choices.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20705

Another question just occurred to me. 

I know from other people's question that iTunes can deal with two different
iPads. I'm presuming I can tell a new one what  playlists and iPhoto albums
to load. I should also be able to tell it to load all the turned-on apps
and books?
But what will happen to my neat arrangements of books in iBooks and the
folders I have apps and bookmarks arranged on the desktop?

Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy an
unlocked Air to begin with?



-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20707

On 1/26/14   PDT, 7:06 AM, Erilar wrote:
> Another question just occurred to me.
>
> I know from other people's question that iTunes can deal with two different
> iPads. I'm presuming I can tell a new one what  playlists and iPhoto albums
> to load. I should also be able to tell it to load all the turned-on apps
> and books?

Yes.

> But what will happen to my neat arrangements of books in iBooks and the
> folders I have apps and bookmarks arranged on the desktop?

You computer desktop should not affect what goes onto either iPad.
>
> Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy an
> unlocked Air to begin with?

I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone 
from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell 
reception?

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#20711

In article <lc39jl$ia0$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy an
> > unlocked Air to begin with?
> 
> I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone 
> from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell 
> reception?

this is about an ipad air and all ipads are unlocked, but why would
anyone suggest *not* getting an unlocked iphone? why tie oneself to one
carrier?

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#20714

In article <260120141355519462%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <lc39jl$ia0$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > > Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy an
> > > unlocked Air to begin with?
> > 
> > I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone 
> > from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell 
> > reception?
> 
> this is about an ipad air and all ipads are unlocked, but why would
> anyone suggest *not* getting an unlocked iphone? why tie oneself to one
> carrier?

That's what I was wondering.  I noticed T-Mobile would like to sell me 
the iPad Air to begin with, but I plan to get it from a live store, not 
somewhere on line.  I need human beings to answer questions in person 
once I get it 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#20720

In article <drache-A56DC9.14073726012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> > > > Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy
> > > > an unlocked Air to begin with?
> > > 
> > > I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone 
> > > from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell 
> > > reception?
> > 
> > this is about an ipad air and all ipads are unlocked, but why would
> > anyone suggest *not* getting an unlocked iphone? why tie oneself to one
> > carrier?
> 
> That's what I was wondering.  I noticed T-Mobile would like to sell me 
> the iPad Air to begin with, but I plan to get it from a live store, not 
> somewhere on line.  I need human beings to answer questions in person 
> once I get it 8-)

it doesn't matter where you get the ipad air. the hardware is all the
same. 

the only difference is which carrier's sim is included, but you can get
a different sim at any time.

the apple stores and other stores sell ipads for each of the carriers
so you can buy whichever one you want there, or you can go to a
t-mobile retail store. your best bet is an apple store if there's one
near you.

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#20724

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <drache-A56DC9.14073726012014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy
>>>>> an unlocked Air to begin with?
>>>> 
>>>> I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone 
>>>> from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell 
>>>> reception?
>>> 
>>> this is about an ipad air and all ipads are unlocked, but why would
>>> anyone suggest *not* getting an unlocked iphone? why tie oneself to one
>>> carrier?
>> 
>> That's what I was wondering.  I noticed T-Mobile would like to sell me 
>> the iPad Air to begin with, but I plan to get it from a live store, not 
>> somewhere on line.  I need human beings to answer questions in person 
>> once I get it 8-)
> 
> it doesn't matter where you get the ipad air. the hardware is all the
> same. 
> 
> the only difference is which carrier's sim is included, but you can get
> a different sim at any time.
> 
> the apple stores and other stores sell ipads for each of the carriers
> so you can buy whichever one you want there, or you can go to a
> t-mobile retail store. your best bet is an apple store if there's one
> near you.

I'd prefer an actual apple store, but they're much harder to reach.  There
is a store that specializes in Apple stuff I've been dealing with for years
50 miles from here, which has very good people and service. i can run a
couple other errands when I go.  I don't want to make the 100-mile trip
until later in the week when it gets up nearer zero, however 8-)

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20740

On 1/26/14, 3:07 PM, erilar wrote:
> In article <260120141355519462%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>   nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <lc39jl$ia0$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
>> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy an
>>>> unlocked Air to begin with?
>>>
>>> I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone
>>> from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell
>>> reception?
>>
>> this is about an ipad air and all ipads are unlocked, but why would
>> anyone suggest *not* getting an unlocked iphone? why tie oneself to one
>> carrier?
>
> That's what I was wondering.  I noticed T-Mobile would like to sell me
> the iPad Air to begin with, but I plan to get it from a live store, not
> somewhere on line.  I need human beings to answer questions in person
> once I get it 8-)
>
I got the prev version iPad (missed the new one by that much [Maxwell 
Smart reference]).  Decided to go with the Verizon option.  Note that 
any Wi-Fi + Cellular adds $130 to the cost over Wi-Fi only so if you 
don't think you need it or will use it you can save some money there.  I 
don't believe the T-Mobile option was available when I bought mine or I 
would have jumped on it.  They offer 200 MB a month for free which isn't 
much but I was mostly figuring on VOIP (about half a meg a minute, as I 
understand it) and light e-mail.  The Verizon $20 a month for 1 GB is 
more than I need.  If you get cellular I'd avoid streaming video or 
audio. I'm pretty sure it'll eat up you data cap.  Also, in terms of 
user support, Apple will give you a year of free telephone support and 
if you want two years you can shell out an extra $99 plus tax for 
AppleCare+.  I know you want in person support but I thought I'd mention 
the Apple deal anyway.


Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?

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#20762

In article <lc5fe2$uip$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
<nouser@invalid.com> wrote:

> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?

all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
cut it to size (micro versus nano sim). 

the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
bands for the carrier you want to use.

t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
bit.

the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
what sim you put in it, it will work just fine. 

older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
you just won't get lte.

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#20767

On 1/27/14, 1:06 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <lc5fe2$uip$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
> <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?
>
> all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
> cut it to size (micro versus nano sim).
>
> the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
> bands for the carrier you want to use.
>
> t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
> bit.
>
> the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
> what sim you put in it, it will work just fine.
>
> older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
> may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
> of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
> you just won't get lte.
>
Sounds like it's not worth the hassle.  Thanks for the info, though.

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#20770

In article <lc6m3m$h3f$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
<nouser@invalid.com> wrote:

> >> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?
> >
> > all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
> > cut it to size (micro versus nano sim).
> >
> > the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
> > bands for the carrier you want to use.
> >
> > t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
> > bit.
> >
> > the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
> > what sim you put in it, it will work just fine.
> >
> > older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
> > may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
> > of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
> > you just won't get lte.
> >
> Sounds like it's not worth the hassle.  Thanks for the info, though.

how do you figure that? t-mobile's 200m free is a no brainer. 

if you are in a refarmed area (and you probably are), then it will be
just fine.

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#20784

On 1/27/14, 6:33 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <lc6m3m$h3f$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
> <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?
>>>
>>> all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
>>> cut it to size (micro versus nano sim).
>>>
>>> the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
>>> bands for the carrier you want to use.
>>>
>>> t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
>>> bit.
>>>
>>> the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
>>> what sim you put in it, it will work just fine.
>>>
>>> older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
>>> may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
>>> of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
>>> you just won't get lte.
>>>
>> Sounds like it's not worth the hassle.  Thanks for the info, though.
>
> how do you figure that? t-mobile's 200m free is a no brainer.
>
> if you are in a refarmed area (and you probably are), then it will be
> just fine.
>
I just figured opening up the sucker might be a pain.  Plus if I have to 
cut a SIM (to fit I guess) that might be a bit tricky as well.  I was 
looking into the iPhone 5S with T-Mobile and it looks like they sell the 
SIM chip kit for $10.  I can see myself screwing up and having to run 
through more than one to get it right.  Also, if the speed does drop I'm 
not sure if VOIP will work.  I'd asked in the alt.internet.wireless 
group about that and the only answer I got was that 3G versus 4G might 
not be the problem.  The response is below:

VOIP need a steady non-jittery stream. There is one website to test 
jitter, but it requires a level of flash that I can't run it on my 
phone. People with cable modems soon discover that VOIP is better on 
DSL. It is not a matte of bandwidth but rather a matter of jitter.

http://myspeed.visualware.com/indexvoip.php

I wouldn't put it past the phone companies to make their data jittery 
enough to screw up voice.

endquote


A lot of the stuff in alt.internet.wireless is over my head and didn’t 
quite understand how to figure out if I’d be alright using VOIP at 3g. 
Another reason I figured I might not mess with the iPad is that if I get 
the iPhone with the T-Mobile $30 a month plan with the 5GB at 4G lte 
followed by a drop to 3G that might be enough and I’d drop the $20 a 
month Verizon 1GB.  I’m in NYC and a friend of mine with T-Mobile says 
she hasn’t had too much of a problem with it in terms of coverage.

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#20796

In article <lc8gri$at$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
<nouser@invalid.com> wrote:

> >>>> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?
> >>>
> >>> all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
> >>> cut it to size (micro versus nano sim).
> >>>
> >>> the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
> >>> bands for the carrier you want to use.
> >>>
> >>> t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
> >>> bit.
> >>>
> >>> the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
> >>> what sim you put in it, it will work just fine.
> >>>
> >>> older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
> >>> may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
> >>> of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
> >>> you just won't get lte.
> >>>
> >> Sounds like it's not worth the hassle.  Thanks for the info, though.
> >
> > how do you figure that? t-mobile's 200m free is a no brainer.
> >
> > if you are in a refarmed area (and you probably are), then it will be
> > just fine.
> >
> I just figured opening up the sucker might be a pain. 

all it takes is a paper clip into the pinhole on the sim slot.

> Plus if I have to 
> cut a SIM (to fit I guess) that might be a bit tricky as well. 

get the proper size sim to begin with.

> I was 
> looking into the iPhone 5S with T-Mobile and it looks like they sell the 
> SIM chip kit for $10. 

it's often free online.

also, stores will often give you one if you activate service, but some
stores try to charge money no matter what.

> I can see myself screwing up and having to run 
> through more than one to get it right. 

you'd have to go out of your way to screw it up.

get the appropriate sim (micro or nano, depending on the ipad), put it
in the ipad, go to settings and follow the steps to sign up. 

on rare occasion that won't work and you might need to call the carrier
or go to the carrier's store to get it to work. 

> Also, if the speed does drop I'm 
> not sure if VOIP will work. 

voip won't work too well on edge but chances are high that you aren't
going to be stuck on edge.

t-mobile has refarmed most of their network so the chances are very
high you'll have at least 3g.

> A lot of the stuff in alt.internet.wireless is over my head and didn’t 
> quite understand how to figure out if I’d be alright using VOIP at 3g. 
> Another reason I figured I might not mess with the iPad is that if I get 
> the iPhone with the T-Mobile $30 a month plan with the 5GB at 4G lte 
> followed by a drop to 3G that might be enough and I’d drop the $20 a 
> month Verizon 1GB.  I’m in NYC and a friend of mine with T-Mobile says 
> she hasn’t had too much of a problem with it in terms of coverage.

new york city definitely has refarmed t-mobile.

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#21017

On 1/27/14, 1:06 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <lc5fe2$uip$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
> <nouser@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?
>
> all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
> cut it to size (micro versus nano sim).
>
> the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
> bands for the carrier you want to use.
>
> t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
> bit.
>
> the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
> what sim you put in it, it will work just fine.
>
> older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
> may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
> of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
> you just won't get lte.
>

Still thinking about doing this (iPhone purchase on hold).  Didn't quite 
follow all of this.  One thing I noticed - Verizon is CDMA and T-Mobile 
is GSM.  This doesn't matter? You seem to be saying it doesn't but I 
thought I'd check.  Also, this is a 4th gen iPad

( 
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE406LL/A/refurbished-ipad-with-retina-display-wi-fi-cellular-for-verizon-128gb-black-4th-generation 
-wished I'd waited a little longer - would have saved some money buying 
a refurb)

in case that matters.

And I'd be getting 4Glte?

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#21022

In article <ld5j5m$j4d$1@dont-email.me>, M. John Matlaw
<nouser@invalid.com> wrote:

> >> Anyone know whether I can switch the SIM to a T-Mobile one?
> >
> > all ipads are unlocked, so any carrier's sim will work. you may need to
> > cut it to size (micro versus nano sim).
> >
> > the only issue is whether the ipad you have has the appropriate celluar
> > bands for the carrier you want to use.
> >
> > t-mobile uses a different band for 3g (aws) and lte bands vary quite a
> > bit.
> >
> > the ipad air has aws and all lte bands for usa carriers, so no matter
> > what sim you put in it, it will work just fine.
> >
> > older ipads do not have all bands, so although it will work, it may or
> > may not work at optimum speeds. worst case, it will be 2g in the case
> > of t-mobile in areas they have not refarmed to 3g, but more commonly,
> > you just won't get lte.
> >
> 
> Still thinking about doing this (iPhone purchase on hold).  Didn't quite 
> follow all of this.  One thing I noticed - Verizon is CDMA and T-Mobile 
> is GSM.  This doesn't matter? You seem to be saying it doesn't but I 
> thought I'd check.  Also, this is a 4th gen iPad

verizon is now lte, and uses cdma where lte is not available (which is
almost nowhere). 

t-mobile is mostly gsm/hspa and is in the process of deploying lte.

both use sims.

the 4th gen ipad supports lte, however, it does not support all of the
lte bands used in the usa (the ipad air does).

what that means is although you can use the ipad with whatever carrier
you want (it's unlocked), you won't get lte if you use it with a
different carrier than the one it came with.

the ipad you linked was a verizon version, so you'd only get lte with
verizon. if you use it with other carriers, you will get 3g/4g. 

if you get an ipad air, which does have all usa lte bands, then you
will get lte no matter what carrier you use. 

while lte is certainly nice, 3g/4g is usually more than adequate. you
will probably not notice a difference, unless you run benchmark apps or
make very heavy use of the cellular network.

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#20713

In article <lc39jl$ia0$1@dont-email.me>,
 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 1/26/14   PDT, 7:06 AM, Erilar wrote:

> > But what will happen to my neat arrangements of books in iBooks and the
> > folders I have apps and bookmarks arranged on the desktop?
> 
> You computer desktop should not affect what goes onto either iPad.

I'm referring to the iPad, not the laptop.  I have my books and pdfs 
arranged in and inside of collections I created in iBooks.  Will it 
jumble them?

I have apps and bookmarks in "folders" on the iPad.  Will a new one 
jumble them so I have them all over the place?
> >
> > Oh, and re: signing up for cellular: do I need a SIM for that if I buy an
> > unlocked Air to begin with?
> 
> I strongly suggest you do not do unlocked, and get a standard iPhone 
> from a standard service. Or are you talking about an iPad Air with cell 
> reception?

Air with cellular.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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