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Re: Aperture ?

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From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
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Subject Re: Aperture ?
Date 28 Mar 2015 14:24:01 GMT
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On 2015-03-28, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cnj5gbFmj2qU6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> >> It's a big deal to me in principle, because the software *disables*
>> >> itself if no ping is made. I find that *very* distasteful. In contrast,
>> >> you can generally expect software that you purchase rather than rent to
>> >> continue working indefinitely as long as your system remains compatible.
>> >> It's fully within your control.
>> >
>> > the reality is that everyone is online all the time
>> 
>> That's untrue. I have computers that aren't online all the time, 
>
> big deal. you still have computers that are online all the time.

Since I can't run Adobe's for-rent software on them, I choose not to
support the rent model. Simple.

>> and
>> some people have computers that are never or rarely online. 
>
> not enough to matter

I assure you it matters to them. And they couldn't care less whether it
matters to you, trust me.

> and those are more than likely not their main machine.

Which doesn't matter much if that's where they want to run their
software. Maybe in your bizarre world it's acceptable to be unable to
run the software you want on machines that aren't your main machine. For
some of us, it's not acceptable.

> other stuff won't work if a system is off the grid, such as google
> apps, dropbox and much more. 

Therefore image editing software should not run on those machines, just
because Adobe likes the rent model? That may seem attractive to you -
not me. 

>> Creative Cloud is not attractive to those people. Other competing
>> solutions are much more attractive.
>
> nobody said creative cloud is for everyone. that's a straw man.

Nice try, but I'm not talking about everyone else - only the people who,
like me, dislike the rent model. 

>> > and pinging once a month (or every 90 days for yearly customers) is
>> > not an issue.
>> 
>> It is an issue for some people, including me. Not sure why you are
>> having such a hard time accepting it.
>
> i have no problem accepting it.

Apparently you do have a problem accepting it, as evidenced by your
disregard and arguments against each and every of my personal reasons
for not liking the rent model.

> why can't *you* accept that subscription software works out quite well
> for many people?

I do accept it. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't work well for me
or anyone who doesn't fit that use model.
 
>> > but there are still gaping holes, such as camera raw
>> 
>> Photo already supports raw editing through the Develop persona. Since
>> it's still in beta, it's still under development, and Affinity has said
>> raw editing is in active development. I wouldn't call that a "gaping
>> hole".
>
> their raw support is not as good as adobe's

Their raw support is in development and hasn't been finalized yet. So
you have no way of knowing the extent of it. And I still do not consider
it a "gaping hole" as you suggested.

> plus apple's support for new cameras lags that of adobe and affinity is
> using dcraw which gives rather poor results compared to other raw
> converters, plus it's not all that fast.

Still not what I'd consider to be a "gaping hole".
  
> if there's a photoshop plugin that someone needs or even just wants to
> use, then the competing apps are a non-starter. it's that simple.

And if not, it's no problem. : )

And you still sound like an Adobe salesman.

>> > affinity designer does not support camera raw which is a show stopper
>> > right there for a *lot* of people, who get photoshop for *just* that
>> > feature.
>> 
>> You're wrong. Not only does the current beta support raw editing, but
>> Affinity is actively developing more raw editing functionality.
>
> i'm not wrong.
>
> camera raw is an adobe proprietary plugin that uses private photoshop
> apis, i.e., it *can't* work in third party apps, and for lightroom,
> camera raw it's integrated into the app itself.
>
> other apps may have raw processing but it is not camera raw.

It supports raw formats.

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JR

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