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In article <cnir05Fk2liU6@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> Meh. Renting may seem like a bargain compared with the exorbitant prices
> >> Adobe charges you to *purchase* their software, but it's still
> >> expensive, and there are drawbacks, such as the fact that you have to
> >> connect to their servers regularly or the software just stops working.
> >> You do give up some freedom in return for that *cheaper* price.
> >
> > once a month it needs to ping, possibly less if you get the yearly
> > plan. big deal.
> 
> It's a big deal to me in principle, because the software *disables*
> itself if no ping is made. I find that *very* distasteful. In contrast,
> you can generally expect software that you purchase rather than rent to
> continue working indefinitely as long as your system remains compatible.
> It's fully within your control.

the reality is that everyone is online all the time and pinging once a
month (or every 90 days for yearly customers) is not an issue.

> > how many computers are off the grid for more than that? 
> 
> That's not the point. All it takes is *once* to significantly
> inconvenience you. The cost savings of renting software is really a ball
> and chain.

it is the point.

the number of people for whom this is a problem is for all intents,
zero.

it's an *extreme* edge case where someone would be off the grid
anywhere close to 30 days.

> >> Have you checked out Serif's Affinity Photo?:
> >> 
> >> <https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/>
> >> 
> >> It's in public beta at the moment - free download. At $40, it gives
> >> Adobe Photoshop a run for its money - literally. And Affinity Designer,
> >> the functional equivalent to Adobe Illustrator is very nice.
> >
> > no it is't.
> 
> "It isn't"? Designer isn't very nice? Designer isn't functionally
> equivalent to Adobe Illustrator? Or were you referring to Affinity Photo
> giving Photoshop a run for its money? Please explain.

neither are replacements for illustrator or photoshop.

graphic artists will laugh at the suggestion of replacing either one
with affinity apps.

> >> Both have allowed me to completely remove Adobe Creative Suite from
> >> my system - good riddance:
> >
> > then you didn't actually need creative suite.
> 
> And how would you know that? : ) I really don't see how you are
> qualified to make that statement. You don't know much at all about what
> my particular needs are, or how I have used Adobe Photoshop and
> Illustrator for the past few decades.

if you think they can be easily replaced, then you haven't come close
to using the full power of either one.

> >> <https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/>
> >> 
> >> Personally, I'm *much* more comfortable with paying a one-time fee of
> >> $40 for a stand-alone app that does most everything Photoshop does and
> >> doesn't require me to keep dishing out more money indefinitely and
> >> regularly pinging some remote server for the "privilege" of the software
> >> not outright refusing to run. Granted, I should realistically expect to
> >> pay for an Affinity upgrade at some point in the distant future, but it
> >> still won't be anywhere near to cost of Adobe's prices, so the
> >> cost/benefit ratio is still better. Long live competition!
> >
> > it's not even close to what photoshop can do.
> 
> It certainly does a whole lot of what Photoshop does.

it does some of it, but there are still gaping holes, such as camera
raw, interoperability with lightroom, the wealth of plugins (not just
filter plugins) and much, much more. 

> The majority of
> the features I use in Photoshop are there: layers, adjustments, effects,
> channels, masks, most or all of the same tools and tool adjustments,
> color spaces, file formats, and so on. And Serif seems to be adding more
> and more functionality to bring it closer to Photoshop as time goes on.
> It seems to be a very close competitor to Photoshop to me. So which
> missing pieces of functionality make it "not even close" in your
> opinion?

then you don't use photoshop to its full potential. not everyone does.
nothing wrong with that. 

that's why adobe makes both photoshop elements and photoshop cs/cc.

> > photoshop elements is about $50 street price. you don't need the full
> > photoshop.
> 
> I don't need Elements either when Affinity Designer does the same types
> of things for $10 cheaper.

that might work for you but it doesn't work for everyone.

affinity designer does not support camera raw which is a show stopper
right there for a *lot* of people, who get photoshop for *just* that
feature.

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