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Re: Aperture ?

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On 2015-03-26 17:33:10 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2015-03-26, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-26 16:38:30 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> On 2015-03-26, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <cniojgFk2liU4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Meh. Renting may seem like a bargain compared with the exorbitant prices
>>>>> Adobe charges you to *purchase* their software, but it's still
>>>>> expensive, and there are drawbacks, such as the fact that you have to
>>>>> connect to their servers regularly or the software just stops working.
>>>>> You do give up some freedom in return for that *cheaper* price.
>>>> 
>>>> once a month it needs to ping, possibly less if you get the yearly
>>>> plan. big deal.
>>> 
>>> It's a big deal to me in principle, because the software *disables*
>>> itself if no ping is made.
>> 
>> Actually there is no immediate disabling of the software in the event
>> of a failed ping. There will be email notification and an 18 day window
>> to contact Adobe to advise of your online status. This is usually done
>> by the subscriber merely logging into their Creative Cloud account.
> 
> If you don't ping Adobe, the software disables itself and is rendered
> useless. My point stands.

As I said there is no immediate disableing, due to a failed ping. There 
isnt even disabling after a refused credit card payment. They have a 
very wide margin and they are not going to leave you high and dry 
unless you actively discontinue the subscription.

...but you have an alternative you seem to be happy with, so carry on.

>>> I find that *very* distasteful. In contrast,
>>> you can generally expect software that you purchase rather than rent to
>>> continue working indefinitely as long as your system remains compatible.
>>> It's fully within your control.
>> 
>> It took me a while to come around, and I swore that CS6 was going to be
>> the end of the Adobe upgrade trail for me. However, the Phototography
>> Program has given me what I want/need without having to worry about
>> future upgrades at a reasonable cost.
> 
> While I'm sure it's reasonable compared with Adobe's exorbitant upgrade
> prices, it's definitely not reasonable compared with the upgrade prices
> of other solutions from other competitors.

However, the other solutions are not Lightroom or Photoshop, and that 
is only too obvious when you compare the latest editions of each of the 
various apps.

>>>> how many computers are off the grid for more than that?
>>> 
>>> That's not the point. All it takes is *once* to significantly
>>> inconvenience you. The cost savings of renting software is really a ball
>>> and chain.
>> 
>> Strange, PS CC and LR5 work just fine regardless of being online or
>> not.
> 
> Nope, not if you don't ping Adobe regularly, as you have already
> admitted. If you don't, the software ceases to work and becomes useless.

As I said above, it takes more than a missed ping or payment to kill 
the software.

>> The payment of rent is not an online issue, and the installation
>> check ping is usually once every 6 weeks and is not an issue.
> 
> It's an issue for me and anyone who would rather not pay rent to use
> software, and anyone who would rather their software continue to
> function correctly without constantly pinging Adobe. If you can ignore
> the ball and chain around your neck because it suits your own needs,
> fine; but don't expect the rest of the world to offer their necks as
> well. To each, their own.

Yup!

>> Adobe isn't some evil empire.
> 
> Never said it was. What I did say is there are alternatives out there
> that are cheaper and better for some of us.

...and that is the more rational way to state that position.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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