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Re: How to assign an object to another in it method?

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On 7/8/2017 10:12 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 7/8/2017 9:13 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 7/4/2017 10:18 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2017 9:46 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2017 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>> On 7/3/2017 10:04 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>> I hope that a static code analysis tool create warnings
>>>>>> about doing something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should they, Arne?  Default values are just that - values used when
>>>>> no others are given.  They are not the only valid values, and are there
>>>>> to be overridden.
>>>>
>>>> It indicates that the author of the super class and the author of the
>>>> sub class seems to disagree on at least one aspect of how the method
>>>> should be. That is something that should always be examined. Do the
>>>> classes really reflect an "is a" relation or is the difference a
>>>> symptom of a bigger difference/problem.
>>
>>> If that is the case, then the author of the superclass didn't design it
>>> properly.  Default values are not there to indicate the only valid
>>> values for a class.  They are there to allow for some (or all) values to
>>> be assumed.
>>>
>>> If there is a restriction in what the values can be, then that needs to
>>> be in the appropriate function.  Otherwise, there is no restriction.
>>
>> Yes. But the topic was not valid values but default values.
> 
> That is correct.  And while the default values will be valid, if there
> are restrictions on non-default values those go in the function.
> 
>>> If the subclass does not reflect an "is-a" relationship, that is a
>>> design problem which has nothing to do with default values.
>>
>> If it is the default values that break the "is a" then it has
>> something to do with it.
>>
> 
> No, values don't break an is-a relationship.  If the default values do,
> then you have an invalid relationship in the first place.

It is rather simple English.

Type X is feature set X with a default value of A.

Type Y is a feature set of X + Y with a default value of B.

Y "is a" X is false.

Y "is almost a" X is true.

>>> The bottom line here is - none of your arguments are related to the
>>> presence or absence of default arguments.  All can occur either with or
>>> without default arguments.
>>
>> My argument relates specifically to different default values, so
>> it can not happen without default arguments.
> 
> I stand by my statement.

Given that the argument above very clearly relates to "default value"
then you are proven wrong.

>                          Default values in a derived class which are
> not valid for the base class indicates an invalid relationship in the
> first place.

Yes. But that is a straw man argument because my reasons do
not relate to valid values at all.

> I would like to see an example of a valid relationship where your
> default values cause a problem.

It is obvious that there is a problem with "is a".

It could be totally harmless.

Or it could be a good indication of a problem.

It would be worth investigating what it is.

Arne

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  Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-18 08:09 -0400
  Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2017-06-18 15:31 +0200
  Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-19 10:22 -0400
    Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 08:13 -0700
      Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-19 11:53 -0400
        Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:06 -0700
          Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-19 13:56 -0400
      Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-06-27 13:49 -0700
        Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-06-28 12:20 +0000
          Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-06-28 05:51 -0700
            Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-28 14:03 -0400
            Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-02 21:23 -0400
              Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-03 10:59 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-03 08:38 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-03 14:04 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-03 10:39 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-03 16:28 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-03 16:52 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-03 22:04 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-03 23:15 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-04 21:46 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-04 22:18 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-08 21:13 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-08 22:12 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-11 17:56 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 15:40 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:49 -0700
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 17:41 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 20:27 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 21:43 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 21:49 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-12 17:20 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 10:08 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-13 11:35 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 08:14 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-13 14:29 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 13:47 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 18:09 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 15:01 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 19:19 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 15:39 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 16:49 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-13 10:24 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 17:19 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 21:17 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-14 06:40 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 14:26 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-15 14:36 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-14 12:10 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 14:40 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-14 14:51 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 21:05 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 21:06 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 14:44 -0700
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-12 16:23 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:12 -0700
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 20:16 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 21:46 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 21:52 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 20:24 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 21:49 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 21:55 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-03 12:37 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-07-03 11:34 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-03 17:28 +0000
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