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Re: How to assign an object to another in it method?

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On 7/4/2017 9:46 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/3/2017 11:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 7/3/2017 10:04 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2017 10:04 AM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
>>>> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>> That is what I consider the missing default parameter issue.
>>>>>         // **** NOT JAVA ****
>>>>>         public Demo(String name, int answer = 6, boolean prisoner =
>>>>> false)
>>>>
>>>> Imho this is one thing that Java actually got right, by *not*
>>>> supporting.
>>>>
>>>> In C++, default values can give a hard time when overiding methods with
>>>> defaults, as the default value depends on the static target object
>>>> type even for virtual methods.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> But is that really a problem?
>>>
>>> It seems like what one would expect.
>>>
>>> And changing the default value when overriding should be
>>> documented rather well as it is a somewhat suspicious
>>> thing to do.
>>>
>>> I hope that a static code analysis tool create warnings
>>> about doing something like that.
>>
>> Why should they, Arne?  Default values are just that - values used when
>> no others are given.  They are not the only valid values, and are there
>> to be overridden.
> 
> It indicates that the author of the super class and the author of the
> sub class seems to disagree on at least one aspect of how the method
> should be. That is something that should always be examined. Do the
> classes really reflect an "is a" relation or is the difference a
> symptom of a bigger difference/problem.
> 
> On top of that comes the problem Andrea brought up where change
> to variable type can change behavior due to default values
> being non-polymorphic in nature.
> 
> But I am more concerned about the first issue. As the second
> issue would be the same for a non-virtual method without default
> values.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 
> 

If that is the case, then the author of the superclass didn't design it
properly.  Default values are not there to indicate the only valid
values for a class.  They are there to allow for some (or all) values to
be assumed.

If there is a restriction in what the values can be, then that needs to
be in the appropriate function.  Otherwise, there is no restriction.

If the subclass does not reflect an "is-a" relationship, that is a
design problem which has nothing to do with default values.  And yes,
the derived class can change the behavior of the base class - either
with or without default values.  But then that is part of the reason for
having a derived class, is it not?

The bottom line here is - none of your arguments are related to the
presence or absence of default arguments.  All can occur either with or
without default arguments.

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How to assign an object to another in it method? parmenides <xparmenides@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-18 20:02 +0800
  Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-18 08:09 -0400
  Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2017-06-18 15:31 +0200
  Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-19 10:22 -0400
    Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 08:13 -0700
      Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-19 11:53 -0400
        Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:06 -0700
          Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-19 13:56 -0400
      Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-06-27 13:49 -0700
        Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-06-28 12:20 +0000
          Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-06-28 05:51 -0700
            Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-06-28 14:03 -0400
            Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-02 21:23 -0400
              Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-03 10:59 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-03 08:38 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-03 14:04 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-03 10:39 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-03 16:28 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-03 16:52 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-03 22:04 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-03 23:15 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-04 21:46 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-04 22:18 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-08 21:13 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-08 22:12 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-11 17:56 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 15:40 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 13:49 -0700
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 17:41 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 20:27 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 21:43 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 21:49 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-12 17:20 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 10:08 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-13 11:35 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 08:14 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-13 14:29 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 13:47 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 18:09 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 15:01 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 19:19 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 15:39 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 16:49 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-13 10:24 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-13 17:19 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-13 21:17 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-14 06:40 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 14:26 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-15 14:36 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-14 12:10 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 14:40 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-14 14:51 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 21:05 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-14 21:06 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 14:44 -0700
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-07-12 16:23 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-07-12 10:12 -0700
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 20:16 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 21:46 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 21:52 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 20:24 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-07-11 21:49 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-07-11 21:55 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-03 12:37 +0000
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-07-03 11:34 -0400
                Re: How to assign an object to another in it method? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-07-03 17:28 +0000
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